Jim,
Thanks for the citations.  I'll try not to be so loose with terminology in 
the future.  Still, I'm not sure Robin & Hahnel's LOOKING FORWARD is in quite 
the same camp as Bellamy's LOOKING BACKWARD, as was originally charged by 
Louis.  There is quite a bit more political substance to participatory 
economics than setting up model communities.  Parecon, as they say in 
newspeak, merely tackles a subset of issues involving questions of hierarchy 
& power in the workplace, be it in a market or socialist/state capitalist 
setting.

cheers,
joe

>According to Hal Draper's multi-volume KARL MARX'S THEORY OF REVOLUTION (a 
>systematic collection of quotes from Marx and Engels on politics), Karl and 
>Fred weren't against utopian speculation. They saw such speculation as part 
>of the self-education of the working class. They opposed the utopian style 
>of political action, i.e., setting up model communities (typically with a 
>utopian leader as dictator -- see the comment on Owen by Engels in the 
>third thesis on Feuerbach). Or as Ruth Levitas says in her book THE CONCEPT 
>OF UTOPIA, "The real dispute between Marx and Engels and the utopian 
>socialists is not about the merit of  goals or of images of the future but 
>about the process of transformation, and particularly the belief that 
>propaganda alone would result in the realization of socialism" (p. 35).
>
>Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

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