[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>what are you trying to prove with your insults Doug? are you implying the
>impossibility of a socialist agenda? who is fantasizing here?

Ok, so you don't have any idea what changes are necessary in the 
actual structures of production and consumption. All that's required 
is loyalty to Marx and a critical attitude. That's pretty much what I 
suspected, but it's good to see my suspicions confirmed.

Oh, and solving the population problem? When people are happier 
they'll have fewer babies. Population growth is virtually 0 in 
Western Europe, but Western Europe is only a bit more ecologically 
sustainable than the U.S. But is a growth rate of 0 low enough? Could 
we feed and house 6 billion people if we all spent our time searching 
for "Jack-in-the-Pulpits or fishing for pickerel"? That kind of rural 
leisure is available to someone living in a rich country; in a poor 
country, you'd be more likely tilling the soil or grinding corn from 
dawn til dusk. These apocalpytic imaginings aren't serious politics, 
they're just lurid fantasies.

Doug

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