> I hate to interrupt these fascinating disquisitions on > post-structural subjectivities and what not, but I am REALLY CONFUSED and hope someone out there (you listenin', Max?) can help. > Clinton's budget projects a $4.4t surplus over the next 15 > years (yeah, > right!). Clinton proposes that, of this, $2.7b be used to shore up SS. He > claims that using this $2.7t for SS will keep the system solvent until > 2050. ("Investing" $0.7t of the $2.7t in stocks will, > supposedly, keep the > system in the black until 2055). > But isn't $2.7t almost exactly equal to the projected SS trust fund > increase over the next 15 years? I mean, wasn't this ALREADY budgeted for > SS? Am I wrong here? I don't have the new numbers on the 15 year surplus in the Trust Fund yet, but the equivalence is irrelevant. The trust fund collects a surplus, then buys non-tradable bonds from the Treasury. Then Treasury gives the cash back to the Trust Fund, free and clear. Then the Trust Fund lends said cash back to Treasury getting more bonds and a higher fund balance. Thereby the Fund is "solvent" for more years into the future. The exception is the extent to which the Fund uses its cash to buy stocks (1/4th of the surplus, in the WH proposal). Then it can't lend the cash back to the Treasury. If they did this four or five times, the Fund would be solvent until the next millenium. It's only a matter of time before some genius proposes that the Trust Fund lend its stock to the Treasury, in exchange for more bonds. Then Treasury can give the stock back to the Fund, pushing up its balance even more. > So is he saying that,rather than spend the $2.7t > budgeted for SS, the Treasury is going to what? Put it in a vault? > Transfer it to bondholders? Pay down debt (buy back Treasury bonds from the public). In other words, what they wanted to do in the first place. > How exactly does Clinton's proposal extend SS > solvency by 18 years? I'm lost. The "problem" is defined as the Trust Fund balance, which with this new arrangement really does become entirely fictional. Treasury can print non-tradable bonds and hand them to the Trust Fund any time it wants, pushing up the Trust Fund balance. Or it could stipulate that future bonds would carry a higher interest rate (any rate you like), all with zero economic ramifications. Incredible as this may sound, it will happen because the Republicans think their end of the deal is some 40 percent of the $4 trillion surplus for tax cuts and military spending. mbs