Oh, I agree with you entirely. It's arguing with people who have not heard about the 
calculation problem that drives me to rhetorical excesses. It's a bit late in the day 
to wake up to the idea that there may be a problem with planning. The problems with 
markets we (at least) know. --jks

In a message dated Fri, 14 Jul 2000  3:13:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Doug Henwood 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

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>Waving the words "decentralized" and "democratic" doesn't expalin 
>where we get incentives to find out correct information, reduce 
>waste, innovate new producrs, services and production methids.

I'll concede the Hayek critique is a problem for planning, but when 
you talk like this you sound like there's no problem with capitalist 
production - no botched plans ("new" Coke?), no waste (2.4% of GDP on 
advertising?; landfills chock full of stupid packaging; air and water 
full of externalized environmental costs), no spurious innovations of 
doubtful social merit (Heinz green ketchup, due in October, born in 
focus groups with kids; production techniques that the Labor Notes 
people call "management by stress")... The flaws of capitalism are 
charming quirks; the flaws of socialist planning, inevitably fatal. I 
can understand Hayek arguing this, but shouldn't a market socialist 
sound a little different?

Doug

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