Ken, According to this morning's Washington Post, the map was from 1992. The NIMA had produced a newer satellite image map, but it did not have street addresses or building IDs on it. Some clunk, apparently at CIA, used the address for the depository and mistakenly put it on the Chinese embassy building 200 yards away on the same street and looking identical from above. This may be a lie, but it is an all too credible one. BTW, a further wrinkle in all this is the interintelligence agency bureaucratic power struggle in Washington, which is definitely a mirror game of the highest order and is now being carrie out under the name of this blame game. The finger has been pointed at CIA, but an awful lot of the input to this has come from the NIMA. A few weeks ago there was a piece in the W. Post in which an ex-CIA guy was complaining about how map creation and interpretation had been taken away from CIA and centralized in NIMA. NIMA is the new kid on the block, created in only 1996 out of the Defense Mapping Agency (whose old HQ it is located in) plus add-ons from DIA and CIA and NRO, the supersecret latter having a very murky role in all of this. One aspect of this I find rather disturbing is that a long running aspect of this struggle has been between the Pentagon (DOD) and the non-DOD agencies of which the CIA is the most important. Supposedly the Director of the CIA (currently George Tenet) is the Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) also. But there has been a long running campaign by the many DOD agencies to get rid of control from the DCI especially with regard to budgetary control, the old bottom line. In any case, NIMA is a DOD agency, and, as I said, the new kid on the spook block. It is being treated with kid gloves in all this while all blame is being placed on the CIA. I see another agenda going on here, frankly. Barkley Rosser -----Original Message----- From: Ken Hanly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 9:02 PM Subject: [PEN-L:6620] Re: Test Message >There are certainly many different hypotheses to explain the bombing. Serb Info >has one that has not appeared here. It is advanced by a professor in Germany >reputed to be an expert on intelligence issues. He claims that the bombing was >deliberate and no mistake. Why? The G8 >peace proposals are not really acceptable to the US and they do not want them to >eventually go >through the UN, but Russia is on side. The only way to stop them? Alienate >China. While the bombing goes on China will veto any attempt to put peace >proposals through the UN. > I find the official explanation unconvincing. By the way, if the official >explanation is correct the bombing was not an ACCIDENT as the media and some on >Pen-l would have it but >as MISTAKE. There is an important difference. The Chinese embassy was targeted. >The bomber made no mistake and the bombs did not stray off course to cause >collateral damage. >Some person(s) somewhere made a mistake and are responsible for it. I find it >hard to believe that the mistake was to use old maps. The Chinese embassy has >been in the same place for >four years. That targets in downtown Belgrade were determined on the basis of 4+ >year old maps is almost beyond belief. I also wonder what would have happened if >the target had actually been the weapons procurement building. Wouldn't there be >the danger of tremendous explosions and horrendous collateral damage to nearby >buildings? > I am inclined to think that the Embassy was deliberatedly targeted by the US >as a punishment for Chinese misdeeds including theft of nuclear secrets and >demands that the bombing of FRY stop. Afterwards, it could be claimed this was a >mistake, profuse apologies could be made etc. and the bombing would go on as >before. > Cheers, Ken Hanly > >Craven, Jim wrote: > >> This is a test message to see if I am online to pen-l from my Clark address >> from where I was banned from contacting pen-l until the feudal fascists in >> the admin were forced to eat it due to righteous and swift responses from >> freedom-loving academics far and wide--to whom I am very grateful. >> >> On the issue of the bombing of the Chinese embassy I can only say that my >> experience with Mike Levine has been that he has been dead on, he puts stuff >> on the net no one else dares to put out (see five hours with CIA pilot Tosh >> Plumley who claims he flew dope into the US and claims that he testified >> twice about it before the Senate (1975 and recently) and nothing was done >> about it but his testimony was classified to attempt to prevent him talking >> about it) and Mike is very systematic and thorough about vetting stories >> before putting them out and does indeed have solid contacts of >> similarly-minded outraged intelligence people still inside. >> >> I have idea if the story is true but it does fit the facts, does fit the >> usual bungling by CIA, does fit the usual "scoop"/wrecklessness >> mentality/machinations of CIA and in terms of the position of the Serbs >> being the object of NATO bombing with no real ability to respond, it would >> represent a very clever move under dire circumstances. It is at least worth >> considering seriously. >> >> Jim C > > >