>> Nadler - who was rated by Roll Call a few years ago as the second most left-wing member of Congress, after Maxine Waters, and who's also probably one of the smarter members of that esteemed body - is drawing on polls and focus groups done by the AFL-CIO. They found that people are so convinced of the crisis that you lose all credibility trying to argue to the contrary. Doug >> The kernal of truth in this is that lobbying Members of Congress is not very constructive. Conditions on the ground -- what the public thinks, and how they are organized to press their views -- have to change. Hence the relevance of the Labor Party & New Party. Paradoxically enough, from what I've seen, the position of the ADA is to the left of the LP or NP on fiscal policy, not so much because the latter have the wrong view, but because they neglect the issue or talk opportunistically about the SS Trust Fund being "stolen." mbs