Doug, The quote was from Nadler (D-NY), quoted in The Progressive, an article by, I believe, Ruth Coniff (sp?) about two months back. For stats on cars versus bikes, I don't know much, but there was an excellent article in In These Times a couple of weeks ago by Jane Holtz Kay (her book Asphalt Nation is also great). Ellen Frank PS - And I second your comment about the flood of nonsense. It seems that no sooner is an interesting issue raised on Pen-l, then it degenerates into a pissing match between a small group of bad apples whose names I won't mention.