Rod Hay wrote: > Relations between what? If individuals are the results of relations, what is > relating? A mere form without content? "Full of sound and fury signifying > nothing" ____________ There are no "individuals" Rod, only subjects. Think about your own 'individuality'. Who are you? Your own ego is associated with your name, which was given to you by others, and you learnt what it means only in the relations with those others. Your nationality, your gender, your race, your ethnicity, you being a son, a father, a brother, a husband, etc. etc. are all nothing but various relationships that define your so-called individuality to yourself. If you think that there is somewhere a pure you, independent of all these relations, then try finding that pure self and let us know who it is and how is it significant to anybody else. First of all, I would suggest, try to see if your pure self is a 'Man' or a 'Woman'? > Rod: > > It is hard to argue against a philosophy that no one believes in enough to > act upon it. Everyone believes in the theory of the human will. The burden > of proof is on those who would deny it. Explain consciousness as the result > of relations, or as the result of material processes. No one else has done > it. ______________ This is nothing but an example of bad rhetoric. How come I'm not a part of your "everybody"? Most of the scientists don't believe in "a theory of human will", as far as i know. And what is it by the way? The burden of proof must be on those who claim that something exists. If I claim that ghosts don't exist, then the other party has the burden to come up with some evidence to show that they do exist. You are the other party in this game, Rod. Cheers, ajit sinha > > > Rod Hay > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The History of Economic Thought Archives > http://socserv2.mcmaster.ca/~econ/ugcm/3ll3/index.html > Batoche Books > http://members.tripod.com/rodhay/batochebooks.html > http://www.abebooks.com/home/BATOCHEBOOKS/ > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com