I have a recording of Robeson doing the Ballad for Americans, a really embarassing piece, artistically speaking. I also think that the pop front's wrapping itself in the flag was a political mistake. "Methinks the lady doth protest too much." Woody Guthrie, by contrast, was a real patriot. "This Land is Your Land" has been talked of an the unofficial national anthem, and for good reason. I don't think one should make a big deal about how one cares for one's country, but I think one should, and should act accordingly, striving to make it a better place. The evidence one cares is the striving, not the announcing. And I don't think one should make a point of disavowing concern for country, and denouncing the whole nation and its entire history as a sinkhole of corruprion and evil. --jks In a message dated Wed, 2 Aug 2000 9:23:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Brown, Martin (NCI)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << Another great example is "Ballad for America," a patriotic oratoria written by Gordon Jenkins and first performed at the REPUBLICAN national convention (I'm not sure what year). It became a staple for Paul Robeson, as the lead soloist and narrator, usually accompanied by a "people's chorus" of union members. A musical version of American History 101, it has the usual stuff about pioneer heroics, etc. and glosses over the extermination of Native Americans, but also has pointed references to the shame of slavery, class betrayal by robber barons, and the continuing struggle against facism, foreign and domestic. Whether these latter references were added by Robeson or were in the premier version I don't know. The same composer wrote similar "ballads," about New York City ("Manhattan Towers") and Hollywood. An interesting form, hardly every heard today, except in Copland's Lincoln Potrait and a few similar works. Actually, there was a brand new ballad for America type piece that was premiered here in DC a month or two ago. I didn't hear anything about it but would be astonished if anything premiering in Clinton's town could compared to Robeson. -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Newman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 9:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:132] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: irrrational (feminist) expectations On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Jim Devine wrote: > At 04:12 PM 08/01/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >I think it's worth distinguishing patriotism from nationalism or chavinism. > > yeah, I'm a patriot. You're a nationalist. He's a chauvinist. > the old semantics game. It's more of a "capture the flag without dipping it in shit" game. Probably the best example of Popular Front moviemaking along the patriotic left lines is "The Best Years of Our Lives" made after World War II, where being pro-union, anti-fascist and antiracist was equated with real patriotism. Such differences in forms of patriotism is not semantic but very real when applied in imagery and action. -- Nathan Newman >>