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Charles Brown wrote,

>Though most of the book "value" is used. But "value" can be used to refer
>to "use-value" too.   Value in the sense of "wealth" is in the form of
>commodities, and commodities are bundles of exchange-value and use-value.

Remember, though, "A commodity appears at first sight an extremely
obvious, trivial thing . . . so far as it is a use-value there is nothing
mysterious about it . . . [j]ust as little does [this mystical character] 
proceed from the nature of the determinants of value [the expenditure of
labour power] . . ."

"Whence, then, arises the enigmatic character of the product of labour, as
soon as it assumes the form of a commodity? . . . The mysterious character
of the commodity-form consists therefore simply in the fact that the
commodity *reflects* the social characteristics of men's own labour as
objective characteristics of the products of labour themselves, as the
socio-natural properties of these things."

Yes, then, exchange-value expresses value but it does so in an "inverted",
"mysterious" form -- as a relationship between things (e.g., linen and
coats) rather than as the relationship between people -- the weaver and
the tailor -- that it fundamentally is.

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CB: I agree with this, but in this first Chapter, Marx is dispelling the mystery. 
After you read it , value shouldn't be so mysterious in any of its forms.  We get a 
clear picture of use-value and exchange=-value as concrete labor and  abstract labor , 
a unity and struggle of opposites bundled up in a commodity. A commodity is the unity 
of two contradictory forms of labor.  Commodities are exchanged based on the 
commensurability of the abstract labor embodied in them , not on the basis of 
comparison of the concrete labor embodied in them. 

The mystery exists for those who don't read this Chapter, that is most people.

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Elsewhere (e.g. in the Grundrisse and in the Critique of Political
Economy), Marx makes a fundamental distinction between "value", which is a
characteristic of the commodity form and "wealth", which is not. That
distinction is so crucial that I'll have to reserve comment on it until
I have a bit more time to elaborate.

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CB: Agree. In the societies in which the capitalist mode of production prevails, 
wealth presents itself as an immense accumulation of commodities, which consist of 
exchange-value ( "value") and use-value.  

Other socieities (non-capitalist) have a lot of non-commodity forms of wealth. Their 
use-values are mostly not bundled together with exchange-value in commodities. 
Commodities are mostly exchanged BETWEEN societies, around the edges and borders of 
socieities. Most production is for use, not exchange, in these pre-capitalist 
societies, so their wealth is in a different form.

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