Well gee golly! As Habermas hath written and The Bible warns us...
Talk about a subject self-managing modern society makes no sense to me.
What is it supposed to mean?
Why is a high level of structural differentiation impossible under
socialism?
Even if markets are functionally necessary in modern society how on earth
does it follow that
capitalism is here to stay rather than the ultimate triumph of Justin's
market socialism.
Yours for analytical clarity...Ken Hanly
----- Original Message -----
From: Ricardo Duchesne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 3:24 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:4793] Re: The "unique" English peasantry.
> Any talk about a macro-subject turning the historical process in
> completely new direction is utopian at best. No subject can self-
> manage modern society given its high level of complexity and
> systems-differentiation. As Habermas has written, Marx
> "overlook[ed] the fact that any modern society, no matter what the
> nature of its class structure, must demonstrate a high level of
> structural differentiation" - which is why Lenin called the Taylorists
> back! Markets are functionally necessary, which in no way implies
> that the people living in "little Tibet" should join world capitalism. It
> is those societies that are already modern which cannot do without
> it. The Bible warned us about this: once you eat that apple there's
> no turning back.
>
> > That capitalism can be finetuned and that it is
> > resilient is a truism, but that it is here to stay is
> > rather perversly deterministic. can you say that
> > without a theory of history but merely on the
> > collection of observation of data from everywhere.
> > Isn't there some domininat social relationtionship
> > that charectisizes social formations and drives
> > historical developments.
> > --- Ricardo Duchesne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > CB: Tres interesant. Is the fall of capitalism
> > > inevitable at some point or other ?
> > >
> > > Once we recognize that capitalism is not the same as
> > > unrestrained
> > > capitalism, then we can agree that capitalism is
> > > here to stay. A
> > > few may escape it by going back to a hunting and
> > > gathering
> > > lifestyle, but I doubt anyone here would want that.
> > > So the question
> > > is not capitalism or no capitalism (that question
> > > was buried with
> > > stalisnism) but how much democratic intervention we
> > > want.
> > >
> >
> >
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