On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Louis Proyect wrote:
> >No, Lou, as I stated, it tells us the opposite. There are many cases of
> >worker self-organization and workers' leaders who have been arrested that
> >are worthy of leftist's support in China. The assumption that they are
> >neo-liberals or dupes of neo-liberals is a simplistic way of approaching a
> >rather complex issue. We can doubt the motivation of the source of this
> >report, surely, as do the workers in this case.
> >
> >Steve
>
> You have me totally confused. You posted a report from HRW that I
> questioned because of the source. Then, today, you post something from the
> workers on the spot who disavow the HRW report. I am not questioning
> whether leftists should support workers struggle in China or elsewhere,
> just urging caution about sources.
I don't think I'm confusing you with anyone else. In the past when I've
brought up first hand knowledge of cases like Li Jiaqing in China, they've
always met with suspicion that they are neo-liberals or dupes of some
agency of the US state.
Human Rights was the outfit that said
> that the Iraqis were detaching babies from Kuwait life-support systems. If
Sure, and the NYT is the outfit that told us that the Pope was nearly
assasintated by Bulgarians. They are also the source that reported to the
public the case of Zhou Wei in Shenyang Province, the elderly cadre who
helped farmers and cadres fight corruption until it threatened the Mayor
of Shenyang City...I visited his wife in Shenyang last October..and guess
what? The NYT Times, except for a few very minor mistakes, got their story
pretty damn correct...So, what position should we take toward Zhou Wei who
remains in jail for the crime of taking the Party seriously about fighting
corruption? If we assume that the story is in the NYT and not worth
supporting...I think that's a dead end approach.
I agree with you we have to develop our own sources. However ,even when
they are developed, like China and the World, they still get accused of
being infiltrated by the CIA, as the post you sent on from Henry argued a
month or so ago...
Steve
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