if my post made it sound like i sympathize more with one side or the other, it was worded poorly. i don't know anything about the details of the accusations etc. but we all stand to lose if urpe goes under (or maybe we don't?), and if that is the fault of some urpe leaders or rrpe board members then it is just as bad or worse. -----Original Message----- From: Rakesh Narpat Bhandari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] If RRPE editorial board cannot explain why it issued a seemingly unprecedented ban (!!!!) on Kliman (with whom I have had as many arguments as anyone), and then would not apologize but only say the ban was based on a misunderstanding (and didn't Kliman say he would be happy with an apology), then why do they expect any outsider to sympathize with them? I can't sympathize with the RRPE editorial board, and Kliman has pissed me off to no end not once. RB