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From: "Ken Hanly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



> Forgot to paste this in last post..cheers, Ken Hanly
>
> I also wanted to ask if the same welfare critierion is used in trade
theory?
>
> In sum, disregarding the problems inherent in the Kaldor, Hicks and
> Scitovsky criteria, the question must be raised again: are these
objective
> criteria in any sense?  Ethically, of course, the Kaldor criteria is
easily
> disputed as it is only a "could" and not a "would" or even a
"should". As
> Ian M.D. Little writes, in his famous critique:
>
> "It seems improbable that so many people would, in England now, be
prepared
> to say that a change, which, for instance, made the rich so much
richer that
> they could (but would not) overcompensate the poor, who were made
poorer,
> would necessarily increase the wealth of the community." (Little,
1950:
> p.90).
>
> A point reiterated by many contemporaries (e.g. Baumol, 1946; Reder,
1947;
> Samuelson, 1947).
>
> There were three lines of defense followed by the L.S.E. economists.
The
> first was to agree and make the "could" into a "would", i.e. have
the
> winners actually compensate the losers.  This, of course, leads to
an
> improvements of sorts, the practical objection that arises is that
once we
> are at a new allocation, winners are unlikely to surrender any of
their
> gains.
>
> The second defense, pursued by Hicks (1941), was that even if the
losers do
> not get compensated in the move, they might still benefit in the
"long-run"
> if the criteria were followed consistently by society.   This
argument is
> similar to that of "trickle-down" theory and in arguments for  free
trade:
> some people may be worse off in the short-run, but in the long run,
everyone
> will be better off.    The underlying assumption, of course,  is
that at
> some point, those who lost utility initially will come across a
possible
> move in which they benefit and a society which follows the Kaldorian
rule
> will move to it and thus they will gain in the end.    Of course, as
Little
> (1950) notes, this is completely hypothetical.   There is nothing to
> guarantee that there will eventually be a move in which the initial
losers
> will be the ultimate winners.
>
> The third (and perhaps best) line of defense is that the
Kaldor-Hicks
> criteria merely lay out what is economically possible and that it is
up to
> policy-makers, on the basis of their own value judgements, to choose
which
> move to make and whether compensation of the losers should be forced
(cf.
> Kaldor, 1939; Scitovsky, 1951).    Thus, they argue, they are merely
> underlining that certain options may be more economically possible
than
> others, but they are still only options.  The final decision will
require
> more philosophical, ethical and political considerations to be
brought into
> the story.
>
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Be forced by whom?

You mean we'll have to talk about power and such anachronisms as "what
is the good" and the idea that efficiency and advantage are
inseparable from ethics? :-)

Don't count on *final* decisions.

Oh, and what about bringing taxi drivers, medical assistants,
ecologists, artists, engineers ...you know, the working class, into
the discussion?

Ian

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