THEY WERE CERTAINLY PHASED OUT nearly two decades ago spelling out degredation and disaster for the country side. it is not known what is the true number of floating labour in china, some say 100 lillion others say more, and the governement keeps a close lid on things. now with wto accession in hand, he country side is likely to endure more hardship if and only if china abides by the rules. i think they will not do so and ther are big enough to outmanouvre the rules. as to the communes they must have had the hiererachical structure as the communist party and also varied in numbers depending on geography crop etc. it was B. Mcleod in the JPE --- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I, too, don't know much about this. But it's quite > possible that the > communes weren't run democratically. It's only if > they were run > democratically that the bit about 200 people > applies. (I wasn't thinking > straight -- if I had, I would have mentioned this.) > If they were run in a > top-down way like a corporation is, then the limit > on the number of people > employed before the company becomes unwieldy is much > higher. > > I used the past tense above: it's my impression that > the communes have been > almost completely phased out. > > Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & > http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ALI KADRI [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 2:55 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [PEN-L:25456] Re: Re: game theory > ;communes > > > > > > I do not know enough about this, and the only > person I > > know that might know is the late arthur k. davis. > but > > i did hear much about the inefficiency of the > commune > > before privatization, yet once trade barriers were > > lifted i heard a businessman on a radio talk show > > saying: the communes produce a lot but the problem > is > > that they do not have the refrigiration technology > and > > of course he wants to sell fridges to the chinese. > > --- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > My impression is that actually-existing Chinese > > > communes had many more > > > than 200 people in them. However, family, > kinship, > > > and religious > > > obligations may have allowed a higher number. > > > However2, the CP of China > > > seems to have oppposed these kinds of > obligations. > > > JD > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ALI KADRI > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 4/25/02 11:16 PM > > > Subject: [PEN-L:25447] Re: Re: Re: game theory > > > ;communes > > > > > > In a debate in the JPE some 15 years ago, a > Chinese > > > dissident showed using game theory that communes > > > were > > > ineffective as production units because of moral > > > hazard and shirking. the best use of that came > in a > > > rebuttal which says that when the number of > persons > > > working in a commune did not exceed 200, that is > > > when > > > everyone knew everyone else in a gemeinshaft, > then > > > no > > > one could shirk because of social > responsibility. > > > the > > > author gave an example of farming religious > > > communities in the US that survived the assault > on > > > small farms because of their cooperative nature. > in > > > a > > > way this guy showed through a topology of return > > > functions that medium size communes are > better.--- > > > Ian > > > Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Baseball is a meaningless diversion?! How > > > > anti-American a heresy! > > > > > > > > :-> > > > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are of course the same folks who > believe > > > > that iMacs deliver the word > > > > > of Satan. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Gil Skillman" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 1:29 PM > > > > > Subject: [PEN-L:25419] The uses of game > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A while back someone asked about the > > > usefulness > > > > of game theory. Below is > > > > > a > > > > > > site that should, um, restore your faith > in > > > the > > > > power of this analytical > > > > > > framework. Amazing! Gil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://207.67.219.101/objective/gametheory.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and > more > > > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and > more > > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > >
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