Dear Se, we have discussed this subject many, many times. Justin is indeed the most enthusiastic supporter of MS. He is also knowledgeable. I suggest that you look through the archives and see what he has written.
On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 02:34:19PM +0000, Justin Schwartz wrote: > > Dear Se, > > >I have set that assumption (that I support the development of a MS type > >economy) in a particular context. I would be happy to see things go further > >but just can't see that around the corner given the state of the left > >across the world. > > Ah. Well, I guess I am principled supporter of MS; I am impressed with > Hayek-type arguments that a wholly nonmarket economy would not be propserous > enough to support socialism of a sort we'd like. > > > > >Schweichart: > > SchweicKart > > he looked to the Jugoslavian model as one for > >replication, n'est pas? > > Not exactly. For inspiration, yes. For the idea of worker control, among > other things. He was also inspired, perhaps more than by Yugo, by Mondragon. > > I think that he failed to look at the model > >within the context of Jugoslavia's preferential position within the world > >economy -it's relationship to imperialism (for example). > > Well, all of us fans of worker self-management have to look hard at the > factors that contributed to the Yugo model's failure--just as the fans of > planned socialism have to look harder at the factors that contributed to the > failure of the Soviet model. I have just acquired Susan Woodward's book > Socialist Unemployment, which (on a superficial skim) attributes the problem > sto the model's failure to deal with the problem of unemployment. (I was on > a panel with Woodward once; she's very smart.) Other theories: Yugo got in > hoc to the IMF and the World Bank, which screwed things up with their > austerity programs; Tugo failed to systemnatically implement self-management > (Lydell's view); Yugo lacked a real hard budgetr constraint tjat would shut > down failing firms; and finally, Yugo ran into some problems for some > combination of reasons, but, in the context of the collapse of the rest of > socialism, was hijacked by ambitious politicians like Milosovec. > > > > >That said, there is much to be learnt from their system. My prefered model > >is a mixture of state intervention and a non-profit distributing service > >sector. > > Schweickart's model has planned (new) investment, and lots of regulation. > What's your "service distribution sector"? > > >The utilisation of non-profit distributing service enterprises will gain > >the efficiency benefits of the market yet they will not be redistributed in > >the form of profits, rather more investments. I feel that Governments have > >a role in supporting this sector (otherwise known as the social economy) > >and that this sector can have a dual role of reducing dependency on FDI and > >of increasing popular involvement in the economic development process. > > > >Anyway, enough on that. > >Sé (I am using my wife's account). > > > > > jks > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
