>All his stuff is very analytical. His big book is Against Capitalism
(Westview 1996). He has a forthcoming book called Beyond Capitalism that
will be shorter and take into account subsequent criticisms. He has a lot of
papers discussing aspects of the model, for example, in an a Bertell Ollman
collection called Market Socialsim, the Decabte Among Socialists.

I will seek out some copies. Thanks for the references.

>>My 'non-distributing service sector' is a European development -it's 
>>pushed in the EU as part of their partnership model, viz, the inclusion of 
>>the private, public, voluntary and community sector in the economic 
>>development process.

>Sort of a Mitbestimmung model, including unions and community groups in 
>planning? The problem with including ad hoc groups in any other way than 
>lobbying, unions aside of course, is that these tend to be rather
unrepresentative of anything in particular and often undemocratically run, 
so it may end up giving a large voice to those who have the time, energy, 
and skill to organize a community group, regardless of whether this group 
has a perspective oe represents an interest that is widely shared. Unions of 
course do represent a real interest and are another story.

I think you have it all right. The problems you identify are common in the 
sector. I know very little about the academic side of this so your analysis 
will be worthwhile. I really see these independent community group organised 
businesses as bringing control back to the people generally and empowering 
them. As such, its a strategic push. Its also something which people can 
relate to and can start the resocialisation of the collective consciousness. 
In places these community organisations can become fiefdoms and this can 
lead to corruption - which is fairly rife in my experience. What's needed is 
for Government support (in terms of capital investment/initial revenue 
support) to be conditional on regular AGMs and stringent auditing.

I agree with your focus on unions - but they really have very little 
representation in the small business/service sector in general. I would tend 
towards State control in the bigger industries but feel that small-scale, 
highly regulated non-profit taking companies can play a role in improving 
competitiveness and developing the base. It also empowers people involved 
and removes the need for the private sector (as in profit-driven) to be 
involved in local economic development. As such, it can protect against 
capital flight.

I'm not a huge fan of the Social Partnership
>approach but do recognise the potential to use the openings it affords to 
>empower people and to counter anti-socialist arguments.

But which people?

Most people I know work for a living, are unemployed or are stay-at-home 
mothers. That's the sort of people who are empowered. Besides, the rich 
don't need social partnership to empower them.

So what happens to the profits made but not taken in the enterprises you are
discussing?

Varies. Usually goes into reinvestment or else some charitable trust. 
Usually best invested into property - that way the sector builds up a 
capital base for the future. In my experience most profits made get used up 
in allied service provision.

The sector certainly works and can help grow economies in places where the 
private sector won't go in because of poor dividends.

>For me, the adoption of a MS economic development strategy appears to be 
>the only logical position given the total disrepute which socialist planned 
>economies have in the popular mind (despite their successes in the early 
>Soviet Union and under Ché in Cuba).

I note your agreement and the criticisms of others. I must justify this 
statement by my firm belief in action as opposed to verbal posturing. We can 
adopt all the perfect models we wish but unless we can implement them they 
are all for nought. That's not to justify some sort of 'reformist' limited 
intervention but to support a principled involvement in popular measures. 
Furthermore, I think that the criticisms are too US-centric, socialism is 
certainly not universally vilified around the world, if anything its 
difficulty in terms of attractiveness lies in the popular misconception of 
it as utopian and unrealisable. The usefulness of concrete projects 
delivering in practice is that we can use these as propaganda (taken of 
course in the context of wider struggle) to advance socialist consciousness. 
People whose children go to a community-run playgroup, who bank with Credit 
Unions, who invest with Friendly Societies and who learn in Community-run 
Learning Centres (not to mention Healthy Living Centres and the like) know 
that socialism works [at least confined to these activities)and that there 
is a better way.

I think that these need to be sold as a new Economic Paradigm in the context 
of the expansion of democratic, state involvement in the larger scale 
sectors.

Again, meaningful criticisms and suggestions will be valued. Perhaps you 
have ideas about how these larger sectors need to be organised - I have 
little knowledge of these and would find such information useful.

Sé




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