> I hope you're not saying that "it's a Turkish thing;
> you wouldn't understand it."

More like "it's a Turkish thing: you couldn't pronounce it."   :-)

I would confess to be unsure about what Sabri's point actually is, but then
I realised that this gives me a wonderful opportunity to put words into his
mouth and rely on the time zone to avoid being called on it.

But I think that there is certainly a question of what we are trying to
measure using the unemployment rate and whether it is the sort of thing that
better statistics are going to help us with.  If we're interested in the
extent to which job insecurity is affecting peoples' lives, giving them
erectile dysfunctions and shortening their lifespans, or it (to be a bit
less resolutely grim) we care about the extent to which unemployment is
restraining workers' militancy in demanding higher wages or for that matter
provoking revolutionary sentiment, then it's not obvious to me that moving
between the ILO, official US and adjusted US definitions is going to help
us.  Or to put it another way, I'm worried about my job and so is everybody
else, so the very fact that the statistics are telling us that employment is
holding up and remaining robust, suggests that there's something funny about
that statistic, whether or not it is in fact describing the reality it
purports to describe.

ach, these are only tuesday morning thoughts, pre my first cigarette, and
should be discounted as such.


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