I agree with Rakesh's main points, including his characterization of my
work with Anwar (originally started with Anwar's unpublished 1987
manuscript on National Income Accounts and continued with my
dissertation, an article in RRPE and later with our joint book).  In my
dissertation, I formulated our concern about the limits of the
capitalist state within the context of marxist theories of the state
(Poulantzas/Miliband/Gough/O'Connor/Bowles/Gintis and even German
Capital Logic School!) and also within the so-called "Plan Problem."
However, even there I didn't extensively go into "an actual theory of
the nature of the state."

Secondly, and more importantly, our goal was to understand the
limitations of the capitalist state by focusing on the redistrubitive
activities of the state, which in turn empirically demonstrated that
first, such functions are directly determined by capital accumulation,
and second, the standard of living of workers is mostly shaped by
labor-capital relations rather than labor-state, at least in the case of
the US.  The following last paragraph of our article says this clearly.

"Perhaps the most important result of our study is that it yields a
clear sense of the limits to the capitalist state. It is striking to
note when one compares the real wage of workers adjusted for the net
social wage is not very different from the unadjusted real wage, i.e.
from real employee compensation per worker (Figure 4). Thus in spite of
the welfare state, the real basis of the standard of living of workers
remains the wage they are able to win from their employers. Its steady
rise over the boom phase,  followed by its stagnation and decline in the
subsequent crisis phase, forcibly remind that class struggle and of the
reserve army of labor continue to play a central role as ever in its
determination."




Rakesh Bhandari wrote:


Interesting that while Noam Chomsky is understood to be (or
understands himself as) an anarchist or anarcho-syndicalist, he seems
to support Robert Pollin's and Robin Hahnel's attempts to specify the
essence of the rational state in terms of which the actual state is
....
Given, then, the specifically bourgeois form of the state--and I
admit to being hardly clear as to what these "structural" limits on
real democracy are, but this is what I would like to
investigate--perhaps we should not be surprised by  both (a) the
limits on state stabilization policy and its increasingly class
biased form (predicted by Mattick Sr, Mario Cogoy, Joachim Hirsch)
and (b) Shaikh and Tonak's very important finding that the welfare
state never redistributed income downward even in the so called
Golden Age, working class taxes may have exceeded transfers even
before 'social democracy' was blamed for stagflation, and the
regressive nature of the so called welfare state has only since
worsened  with relative cuts in social expenditures and regressive
increases in the payroll and sales tax paying for tax breaks not even
for  investment (as recommended by Paul O'Neill who was run out of
town) but for the consumption of the rich (Bob Jessop refers to
transition from Keynesian welfare state to Schumpeterian workfare
state).

I would imagine that for Shaikh and Tonak that this would not be
evidence of the corruption of the state by private interest but
rather (in a Marxian vein) evidence of the corruption of the state,
given its form in a bourgeois society.  But I do not think their
findings are supplemented by an actual theory of the nature of the
state.





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