> It has to do with the connection between the accumulation of capital
> ascribable to the creation of surplus value on one side, and the cascading
> mountainous accretion of debt instruments on the other, the whole
> multi-trillion dollar financial complex. How, basically, do the two
connect
> in a framework consistent with what Marx wrote? I had assumed without
being
> able at my level of comprehension to elaborate,  that all credit
> creation rests ultimately, fantastic as it might seem, on call-ins of
> indebtedness to the creators of the surplus value,
> the working class [of course, Sweezy called it 'surplus'].

Why exactly is it so necessary to connect in a way "consistent with what
Marx wrote" ? Can we not think for ourselves ? If you start off with a false
or dogmatically held premise, then you are driven ineluctably to
contradictory thinking at the very least, but that too could be a source of
creativity. The issue you raise is very complex, it's a bit like explaining
how people can travel to the moon - it can be done, but it takes a lot of
time. Ernest Mandel tackled this question (he considered Schumpeter one of
the most important 20th century bourgeois economists) because, contrary to
Trotskyist expectations, capitalism boomed after world war 2, and then the
question arose, whether this was due to human error, to a faulty analysis of
bourgeois society, or to something inherent in the capitalist system which
had still to be discovered. Technological revolutions are an intrinsic
feature of capitalist development, but as you know, capitalism is by - its
very structure - intrinsically incompatible with long-term steady growth, it
develops spasmodically through booms and busts which we can plot in squiggly
graphs. Thus, under specific conditions, new revolutionary technologies can
expand the market. But the time factor is crucial. Insofar as the market
does expand, the reserve army of labour is depleted, and the economic
bargaining position of the working class strengthened. At the same time,
however, technological innovation has a labour-saving bias. The long-term
effect of technological progress under capitalism is therefore to reduce the
labour-time it takes to produce products, and hence ithat increases
unemployment (at the moment, there's about a billion people excluded from
paid labour in the world). But that is merely to say that the ideal
condition for capitalist growth - rising profitability plus expanding
markets, beloved of equilibrium theorists, is very difficult to achieve, and
if it is achieved, can only be sustained for a limited time - there is no
economic force or law in market logic, which can achieve that sustained
growth, i.e. an expansionary dynamic occurs due to factors that the
economics profession generally fails to deal with, precisely BECAUSE they
are obsessed with commercial logic and believe in the inherent goodness,
superiority and rationality of private commercial pursuits. If you say that
capitalist development always culminates in reducing the total amount of
paid labour necessary (with the familiar pattern of a rising OCC and a
falling rate of profit), then that has at two important consequences: (1)
aggregate demand is reduced, and (2) a competitive struggle breaks out over
the allocation of the paid labour that remains. But in this competitive
battle of capitalist business, the repercussions of all that can be
displaced in space and time, precisely through the instrument of credit -
live now, and pay later, and if possible, shift the burden of paying to
someone else - and the hope is, that in the meantime, policy changes can be
implemented, which provide for more sustainable growth in the future. So,
essentially, the resort to credit is an apologetic strategem for capitalist
mismanagement, an unfortunately indispensable modus for accomodating the
system-immanent contradictions of capitalist economic management, which
allows some to prosper while condemning others to live in hell (the
bourgeois hope the hell exists at some safe distance, far removed from the
pleasantness and comforts of bourgeois life). In reality, of course,
equilibrium is not at all created by market logic, you'd have to be a moron
to believe that in view of the facts, rather, this equilibrium is based on
the ownership of private property, and the ability to defend it. The real
question is not who "earns" what and who pays for what, but who owns what,
and who is the boss. And obviously those who already own wealth, have -
other things being equal - more power to act in defence of their interests,
whereas those who are less strong, who are weaker, seek to resist the
increase in the rate of exploitation, and find alternatives. Marx never
claimed that economic analysis could resolve the problems of capitalism; you
had to overthrow it, get rid of it, replace it with something better, and if
not, the best you could hope for would be to reach a modus videndi with it.
And for their part, the bourgeois hope that such a modus videndi will
eternalise the way of life they consider best for everybody, for the world.
Ultimately, the only way out of debt, is to recognise that one has to leave
commercial logic aside, to reach a better existence. But obviously if that
is all that socialists have to say, then socialists aren't saying very much
! The question is one of shaping up a better kind of life. Here in Holland,
the Socialist Party is currently campaigning for playgrounds for children,
when the council wants to close them down and the government will not
subsidize their existence. In bourgeois morality, playing must have a
purpose and lead to exploitable work effort, the idea that kids might just
want to play freely in their own space can be very, very frightening, but
that it not what life is supposed to be about, except when we go to the
opera.

But how for one
> thing does that include Schumpeter's 'creative destruction', a product of
> cycles of reproduction?  How for another thing does that affect the
validity
> of the Marxist theory of value creation, that is, how does it preserve the
> practicability of Marx's theory of surplus value? How does that work out
as
> a historical development question? And how in the Marxist schematics can
> this be represented? I know there's an answer in there someplace.

"Schumpeter's "creative destruction" is based on extreme examples of the
substitution process, where substitution progresses until the established
technology is largely destroyed for a given market. It is shown that
established technologies are not necessarily completely destroyed and that
they may survive in niche markets or a market distinct from that
threatened."

From: http://ideas.repec.org/p/hhb/aardom/2000_004.html

Hope this helps - basic enough ?

Jurriaan

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