what in heck is a "liberal"? I'd say that this question can be answered by first 
defining the Marxian analysis and critique of capitalism. There are two major 
dimensions of this view:

(1) class domination (and other sorts of domination, such as racist & sexist 
insitutions and imperialism). This is the vertical dimension of power and 
subordination.

(2) the horizontal dimension is that of the competition amongst capitals, often seen 
in politics as the competition amongst "special interests." 

In this view, "liberalism" _forgets_ (or never knew) the vertical dimension and/or 
conflates it with the horizontal dimension (so that workers, women, "minorities" and 
other dominated groups are a special interests). This is true of both "neoliberalism" 
(laissez-faire) and FDR/New Deal liberalism (what US observers call "liberalism"). 
Social democracy is a kind of liberalism, one that is even more statist than New Deal 
liberalism. Social democracy that has political efficacy has a base in an actual mass 
labor movement, which can affect its liberalism, importing elements from the Marxian 
world-view. 

Liberalism lacks the understanding of capitalism as a social institution created by 
people that constrains our choices, so they see its negative aspects as mostly or 
entirely a matter of special interests' power. Often, rule by technocrats (rather than 
deepening democracy) is seen as the cure for special-interest politics. In the rich 
countries, liberalism also tends to see the system as being pretty close to attaining 
the liberal ideal, so that only reforms are needed. In poor countries, the "special 
interests" can have dictatorial power, so that liberals may be "revolutionary." 

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Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Henwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:28 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [PEN-L] liberals
> 
> 
> Sometimes it seems that liberals attract more fire on PEN-L than does
> the bourgeoisie. I could understand this if we were in a period of
> proto- or quasi-revolutionary ferment, when they'd be the co-opters
> and/or betrayers. But right now, anyone in public life who stands up
> for vaguely egalitarian social values and the defense of civil
> liberties is rare and almost precious. It sounds like people are
> replaying scripts from 30 or 40 years ago.
> 
> Doug
> 

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