>Is there no way to get to communist society more directly from relative scarcity, as might be the case in the wake of war or "natural" disaster? A dogmatic economic-determinist interpretation of Marx suggests not, but I think that's too narrow, at least in the present and likely future circumstances: communism could be a political necessity for survival not a luxury we can afford thanks to material development of the forces of production, much as that would be appreciated.
 
many more comments to make on your critique of K&K on "socialism betrayed" but just passed through some fever dreams (might have been my brush with West Nile) and have a lot of work to catch up on keep on pushin' <
 
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Keep on Pushin . . . Can't stop now . . . move a little higher!
 
I do hope you feel better "D" and recover quickly.
 
"Socialism Betrayed" by Roger Keeran and Thomas Kenny covers a lot of ground. I enjoyed this book because it consolidates a lot of events and key figures in Soviet history in an easy to read format . . . without being to "ideologically thick."
 
It is true that I come from a different body of politics and theory development and gained some real world experience as a machinist/job setter. All industrial machinery operating on the basis of electromechanical processes run in the same direction or operate on the same universal principles in every country on earth. And all of them have the same red, white, yellow and green buttons that governs the transfer process and cutting, machining and stamping.
 
The new technology is different and I remember the first advanced robot places at our plant (which is not advance by today's technology). We called the robot "Henry" and he was a sight to see. "Henry" was not accurate but had "vision" . . . and his real problem was that he was built by a company using old technology and Chrysler would have done better going to Japan, where the extensive and intensive development of their heavy industry and robotics producers took place on a different curve of development than the incremental industrial development in America.
 
Being a union guy . . . I had no interest in eliminating jobs and gave less than a fu*k about the companies rate of profits . . . to a degree. I was not going to cut off my nose in arguing with my face. The bond between labor and capital that is the basis of the industrial system ties the worker to capital by a million threads. No one can magically leap outside this relationship and become a super revolutionary. It is not possible.
 
Not being able to leap outside the structures of a society that form the two basic social classes as the economic logic and driving impulses of a system of production is a theory proposition. The workers are not going to one day "wake up" and overthrow capital because they can compel capital - through the bond that binds them together, to meet their basic needs . . . even while ever greater section of labor are ousted from the production process as meaningful employed labor.
 
It ain't happened and ainât going to happen because it can't. The two basic classes of a social system are never free to overthrow the system of production they composed and it has never happened in human history. Something else must happen for a social system to be overthrown.
 
I have a duty to bring an understanding of extensive and intensive development and evolution . . . in its concreteness,  . . . to bear on this subject. Perhaps that is my purpose.
 
This is not your "father's Marxism."
 
"Socialism Betrayed" contains an economic approach that attempts to unravel the economic essence of Soviet socialism and how various leaders fought over direction.  Keeran and Kenny traces the inner party struggle over economic policy and pinpoints Nikolai Bukharin as representing what would later emerge as the policy of Khrushchev and subsequent Soviet party leaders.
 
Several real theory problems emerge in any discussion over the economic basis of communist society. These theory problems are legitimate in as much as Marx's clearest statement concerning the economic basis of communism is perhaps contained in his Critique of the Gotha Program.
 
By communist society I specifically mean a society that has completed  . . . completed . . . the transition Marx calls "between capitalism and communism." In this sense my basic proposition is that one cannot leap to communist society on the basis of an industrial mode of production. From this point of view my proposition can be called economic determinists or techno-communist. I do not object to these labels because history is the supreme arbiter of theoretical disputes . . . And it is understood that I am putting forth a radically different conception of communist experience and viewpoint based on American history and personal experience.
 
What has been called the communist movement for the past 150 years has not really been an economic movement of people or classes in society, but rather an intellectual movement of revolutionaries who believe in the theory and ideology of communism. This was an ideological movement not very different from the early Christian communists on one level.
 
There is no shame in this because people always fight for an ideas even before . . . and especially before its time has come. We communists are people of a special mold and disdain the idea of dying on ones knees . . . genuflecting to tradition. It is better and more loftier to leap into the unknown than rest content with convention and cave into the force of habit. No one has ever won freedom caving into tradition.
 
During the past period of our communist history . . . communists have conceived of the future communist society based on their boundary of development of the industrial system.
 
Economic Communism - not the transition called socialism, is inconceivable with 20-30% of the population tied to the land as producers no matter how they are organized. That is to say . . . whether they are in state farms or other farms of collectives, these producers are still within the vortex of the value relationship. They alienate their products on the basis of exchange and these are in fact "their products" - on various levels.
 
Even on a "State Farm" it is called a state farm because the state is the property holder. Fu*k the state. If the means of production belong to the state then you are entering an exchange relationship with the state as mediator. When you are in an industrial society without individual property owners - Soviet industrial socialism, the state must be the supreme arbiter or holder of property because everyone's property rights and exclusion from property rights must be enforced and protected.
 
On the banner of Socialism - an industrial system, is inscribed "he who does not work shall not eat." That is to say, inheritance of property and ownership of wealth does not allow one not to enter production and exchange relations or the value system. We are speaking of an exchange relationship . . . a property relationship . . . a value relationship. Today our vision is a lot higher than the Stalin Constitution of 1936.
 
After the transition between capitalism and communism the State is not the property holder because the State is no longer an instrument of mediation of class antagonism. This means that the sum total of individuals as class . . . people as individuals . . . are not bumping into one another - colliding, on the basis of equitable shares of the social product or distribution and exchange. Society is no longer moving in antagonism.
 
Further . . . the direction of the changes in our means of production today . . . in America . . . must alter our vision of communist society because roughly 3% of the population is involved in agricultural production and the industrial system - as electromechanical process, is undergoing enormous change.
 
In other words labor has been ousted from agricultural production in a fundamental way and this is possible due solely to the state of development of the productive forces and science. Yes, . . . I heavily lean towards technology and fighting in the streets to implement this technology on behalf of society and the individuals that make up society . . . because that is the world I see in real time.
 
Communism is a political necessity and a matter of survival of earth  . . . but the economic basis of a communist society is a somewhat different question. Industrial society by definition perpetuates the value relationship . . . and this really became clear as society entered post industrial development.
 
In this sense none of us could have known the boundary and limit of industrial society or electromechanical production + labor + a specific energy infrastructure . . . before that which transforms the industrial system emerged.
 
The economic basis of communism does not mean "communist revolution" or "the overthrow of bourgeois property" and the beginning of communist reconstruction of society. The economic basis of communism means the reconstruction is completed ... the transition is completed and society is now evolving on the basis of a different economic law system made possible by a gigantic leap in the development of the means of production.
 
The question of scarcity is even more complex in my opinion because we are dealing with "absolutes and relatives" and defining human needs from Marx standpoint as opposed to the needs that evolve on the basis of bourgeois property and the industrial system. The industrial system as a distinct mode of production needs certain things that allows itself to reproduce itself as a method of production or to expand extensively and intensively in relations to the manufacturing process.
 
I would venture to say that 80% of all the products - commodities, consumed in our every day lives are not human needs but "needs" inherited by bourgeois property and created in the quest for profits. Then there is a set of needs generated as the means and basis to reproduce the industrial system itself as a specific logic of production that is electromechanical process.
 
The problem in conceptualizing socialism during the industrial period was that ideologists looked at Soviet socialism and said . . . "they have bad environmentalists problems and why did they build that ugly industrial complex " . . . and you get my drift. The working of the industrial system was blamed on whoever was in power because that is where the buck stops.
 
The problem is that there is no such thing as a sane industrial policy or a sane feudal policy . . . because we are striving to leave the last stage of human barbarism. As ignorant and wrong concerning economic policy that Nikita was . . . he was ignorant and wrong in a specific context of the industrial system. If Nikita was perfect and a genius . . . it was not like he was going to magically leap to communism and out of the value relationship on the basis of being "right."
 
By the economic basis of communism is not meant the political revolution but a mode of production based on the universal implementation of the new emerging technological regime that is ousting huge section of labor from material production . . . as it has developed . . . say 100 years from today.
 
These are difficult questions that we are probably going to grapple with for at least the next century.
 
"Socialism Betrayed" by Roger Keeran and Thomas Kenny contains an underlying theory grid that evolved from the evolution of the Communist Party USA . . . in my opinion  . . . and limited to the industrial phase of development.
 
Still the book is worth purchasing and reading . . . despite the fact that it is a solid twenty years behind the curve of development in America.
 
Peace.
 
Melvin P.
 

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