Dean is right if you think of returns to private capital as analogous
to debt-service on Govt securities.
I don't.  Payments to capital are made out of profits, debt-service to
foreigners as out of taxes.
Maybe there is some relevant super-category of surplus value that
applies, but I'm no Marxist scholar.

Cap gains are taxed at a lower rate, but we were talking about
interest on Federal Gov bonds, taxed at the top
marginal rate.

On average the rich pay higher taxes, notwithstanding the preferences
to capital gains.



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Lear
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 2:32 PM
To: Progressive Economics
Subject: Re: [Pen-l] Vulnerable logic in Dean Baker's argument?

On Monday, May 18, 2009 at 13:15:45 (-0400) Max B. Sawicky writes:
>A few points pro- and con- this chestnut:

Thanks for these, good points.  A few comments/questions:

>a.  Increasingly the interest goes to foreigners, whom one might not
>classify as "ourselves"

Baker says this:

  There is an issue of foreign ownership of debt. But this is due to
the
  trade deficit, which is a result of the over-valued dollar and has
no
  direct connection with the budget deficit. If we had the same
  over-valued dollar, but no budget deficit or even national debt,
then
  we would be in the same situation relative to foreign investors,
  except that they would be buying up more of the private capital
stock
  rather than public debt. The outcome for future generations would be
  the same; a larger share of future income would be paid out to
  foreigners.

>b.  While bond ownership is maldistributed, income tax liability is
>also concentrated on the upper income portions (top 20% pay vast bulk
>of it).

But don't upper income portions have a lower percentage of income
that comes from wages, and more from capital gains, that is taxed
at a much lower rate?


Bill
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