On Jun 8, 2012, at 5:07 PM, Julio Huato wrote:

> However, and I'll
> be brutal about it, the people who can really change the unions for
> good (or create unions anew that bypass the old ones, which would be
> another approach to make the old unions irrelevant) are the workers at
> their respective workplaces.

But there's also this important point, made by Sam Gindin: 

> Very good response; I think you are right on re labour. The one thing I’d 
> add, and I think it is very significant, is that this crisis in labour 
> overlaps with the crisis on the left.  I’m convinced that any renewal in 
> labour won’t happen until there is an organized left with feet inside and 
> outside labour - and even then it would have to be a left of a particularly 
> creative kind. Which raises the unavoidable question of what we do to create 
> such a left if neither the unions nor the democratic party are sites to make 
> this happen and the notion of this happening through the old Leninist 
> structures seems no less of a dead-end. THIS is the challenge that needs 
> taking on....
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