I suppose I should stop lurking and take a crack at this.

Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:57:31 +0100
From: Robert Naiman <[email protected]>
Subject: [Pen-l] query: James Joyce and nationalist economic
        development...
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I was recently talking with an Irishman from Galway who told me that
he "hated Guinness," by which he meant that he hated the marketing of
Guinness as representing Ireland.

This made me think: if one wished to put other goods forward for
export as representing Ireland, what could one put forward?

Off the top of my head:
 
Viagra
heart stents
software
live cattle
Kerrygold butter
lightly regulated financial services
industrial espionage
tax avoidance strategies
poorly trained construction labour
 
The Joyce passage is interesting.  The satire is of the hyperbole and the cod 
classicism but a lot of the individual  items mentioned have at least some 
reality.

This in turn reminded me of the following passage from James Joyce's Ulysses:

"Where are our missing twenty millions of Irish should be here today
instead of four, our lost tribes? 
 
In the 19th Century Ireland's population was much closer to England's than it 
is now.  Famine, landlordism and competitive deindustrialization (colonialism) 
explain the current difference.
 
And our potteries and textiles, the
finest in the whole world!
 
The finest in the world is not true (and the pottery was particularly coarse 
stuff) but there was a textile industry which was destroyed after the act of 
union.
 
 And our wool that was sold in Rome in the
time of Juvenal 
 
Rome had little to do with Ireland, naming the place Hibernia which translates 
as Winterland or a place with a fucking unpleasant climate.
 
and our flax and our damask from the looms of Antrim

Flax (if not damask) was a regional specialty of Ulster and an exception to the 
decline of the Irish textile industry.
 
and our Limerick lace,
 
Real I think.
 
 our tanneries and our white flint glass down
there by Ballybough
 
Not sure about these though nobody ever talks about fine Irish leather.
 
 and our Huguenot poplin that we have since
Jacquard de Lyon and our woven silk and our
 
Huguenots did weave silk in 18th century Ireland.
 
 Foxford tweeds 
 
Stil trading as Foxford Woolen Mills.
 
and ivory
raised point from the Carmelite convent in New Ross, nothing like it
in the whole wide world. 
 
Not unlikely.
 
Where are the Greek merchants that came
through the pillars of Hercules, the Gibraltar now grabbed by the foe
of mankind, with gold and Tyrian purple to sell in Wexford at the fair
of Carmen? Read Tacitus and Ptolemy, even Giraldus Cambrensis. 
 
Unlikely.
 
Wine,

Very unlikely.
 
peltries,
 
Not too likely
 
 Connemara marble,
 
Genuine, still quarried and sold (it's green as it happens)
 
 silver from Tipperary, 
 
There was native Irish silverwork
 
second to none, our
farfamed horses even today, the Irish hobbies, 
 
The always was a big horsetrade continuing today with race horses.
 
with king Philip of
Spain offering to pay customs duties for the right to fish in our
waters. 
 
There is still an Angling tourist industry though Philip of Spain seems an 
unlikely customer.
 
What do the yellowjohns of Anglia owe us for our ruined trade
and our ruined hearths?"

So here are my economic questions about this passage:

- which of the descriptions of economic activity in the tirade are
historical, and which of them are Joyce's rhetorical flourish, poking
fun at Irish nationalism?

- which of the historical economic activities described are still
going propositions?

- which of the historical economic activities described could be
revived or expanded today?

P.S. Apparently "the Carmelite convent in New Ross" is still producing
stuff for sale:

http://www.carmelitesnewross.com/news.html 
<http://www.carmelitesnewross.com/news.html> 

--
Robert Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
[email protected]



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