Paul Cockshott wrote:
> I agree with quite a lot of what you are saying Jim

great, so I won't respond to all of what you say.

> I agree that for fiat money state power is what allows it to operate as a 
> social form. My original question was, given that it is the power of the 
> crown upon which the Krona is based, what determines its value -- is it the 
> quantity of labour that the King commands or the quantity of labour power he 
> purchases. Ie, if the Crown spends Krona 1 million employing teachers etc, is 
> the value of the Krona the number of hours the teachers etc work for this 1 
> million Krona, or is it the number of hours embodied in the wage goods the 
> teachers consume?...<

as I understand Marx, the labor that the King commands produces no
value unless it produces commodities for sale. Public-school teachers
don't produce value. (That's not a bad thing, by the way: among other
things, teachers are "indirectly productive," in Jim O'Connor's
phrase, in a lot of ways. That is, their work helps others produce
value and surplus-value.)  The value of their wages would be the value
of their labor-power, but that's different from the value they
produce.

In the US National Income and Product Accounts, the problem of
public-school teachers not producing commodities is "dealt with" by
saying that their product = their wages. That's a bit doubtful.
-- 
Jim Devine / If you're going to support the lesser of two evils, you
should at least know the nature of that evil.
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