The political involvement of U.S. workers in electoral politics and, more 
specifically, in the Democratic Party has proved to be historically 
necessary, as a result of the pre-existing weakness and fragmentation of the 
U.S. working class.  It is not clear at this point whether the result of 
this involvement will reinforce the subordination of the U.S. workers to the 
capitalists or, contrariwise, the result will be the political strengthening 
of the U.S. working class. The outcome of these struggles is contingent. 
The duty of Marxists is to support the workers and help them grow 
politically.

Julio Huato

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We really need some numbers that breakdown who the working class is and how 
they vote. I really don't know. I live in a liberal area and I don't 
personally know a single republican. When California had party specific 
primary ballots my polling place had one Republican booth with the light 
turned out to save electricity. I never saw anyone use it. You would think 
it was haunted. ...

At a guess most of the working class already votes Democrat. If you look at 
the blue-red map of last week's election almost all the traditional working 
class strong holds around the Great Lakes, except Indiana, on the Northeast 
Coast and along the Westcoast were blue. The biggest other manufacturing, 
production, distribution, transport, etc. state was Texas which was of 
course red, along with the Slave States and the boonies of Midwest-West.

I need a much better sense of the true demographic of the US.

The most radicalizing events in my life after the 60s were an endless series 
of deadend jobs with deadend pay. The general outlines of Capitalism made 
itself felt nearly every hour of every day. So, by the time I got around to 
reading Capital v.1 it was like going through a picture book. The way Marx 
approached the economy was querky, but entirely legiable, once I got the 
hang of it. Volumn 2 was as boring as can be, lots of paperwork that used to 
go on upstairs ... I had to put it down, and I'll get back to it later. But 
there was nothing like Trotsky.

The point is get that reading done. The working class isn't going to go 
anywhere without it. I don't know how to do that education work, but it is 
essential. Part of the problem is that most people early on learn that 
schooling and learning are usually ego destorying experiences in which you 
are degraded and diminished.

Marx et al. can not be taught that way. The point is not punishment, but 
liberation. I mean there is attitude out there over Marx in an equation that 
goes something like this: Marx = Communism = Dictator. The approach has to 
be much more organic. ...

CG

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