"Carrol Cox" <[email protected]> wrote: 

> I'm utterly bewildered by this thread. 

> Entropy refers to the entire universe. This is wholly compatible with 
> steadily greater order in one little nook of the universe. 

> The idea that entropy is even remotely related to social life is absurd. ... 

It's a matter of physics envy. If only economics was as simple as physics. 

Some have advocated energy as a measure of value and that can work 
for some special situations in solar, water, and wind power but Marx 
made the observation: 
"However, if we take a look at the machine in its elementary form, there can be 
no doubt that the industrial revolution originates, not from motive power, but 
from that part of machinery called the working machine by the English, i.e. not 
from, say, the use of water or steam in place of the foot to move the spinning 
wheel, but from the transformation of the actual spinning process itself, and 
the elimination of that part of human labour that was not mere exertion of 
power (as in treadling a wheel), but was concerned with processing, working 
directly on the material to be processed. Nor, on the other hand, can there be 
any doubt that, once we turn our attention from the historical development of 
machinery to machinery on the basis of the present mode of production, the only 
decisive factor is the working machine (e.g. in the case of the 
sewing-machine). For, as everyone knows today, once this process is mechanised, 
the thing may be moved, according to size, either by hand, water or a 
steam-engine." 

-- 
Ron 

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