On 9/13/2013 7:15 PM, Perelman, Michael wrote:

> Not off the table at all.  Real reforms can help to create a belief that 
> anti-capitalists can accomplish something.  Marx supported unions even though 
> he knew that the could never win any ultimate victories, but the hopeless 
> battles could create a sense of solidarity that could help the cause succeed.

>> I agree with Tom.  Limited victories on matters such as the working
>> day and other reforms can provide fuel for organizing.  Or are we
>> supposed to wait for everybody to get screwed over so much that they
>> all rise up in unison & create a socialist utopia overnight.

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I was responding to the second sentence in your post, which seemed  to 
play on yet another variation of the trope of the big bang approach to 
social change; the mirror image of the capitalist fantasy in the wake of 
the implosion of the USSR.

E.

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