Thanks for noticing. Indeed, contrary to Louis' claim, I did not ask his opinion on the US-Russia agreement. I have absolutely zero interest in Louis' opinion on the US-Russia agreement. Why would I care about Louis' opinion on the US-Russia agreement? I can't imagine anything that interests me less.
Louis posted a piece full of assertions. I picked one of the assertions in the piece and refuted it. The assertion was that "the global left" was opposed to any intervention in Syria, whether or not it was through the UN or complied with international law. I gave the US-Russia agreement as a counter-example to this assertion, Louis posted a piece as if it were The True Wisdom, and I proved that an assertion in the piece that Louis posted was easily debunked. Louis professed to be mystified that people on the left perceived him to be pro-US-bombing. He denies that he is pro-US-bombing. Yet much of his advocacy in the past few weeks on these wires has been to attack opponents of the bombing using pro-bombing sources. Is it really so mysterious that people on the left perceive Louis to be pro-US-bombing? On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 9:22 PM, ken hanly <[email protected]> wrote: > Naiman pointed out that you did not address the point he was making so > your response is to repeat your own response: > > > "There is no evidence that "the global left" is opposed to "any sort of > interference whatsoever—whether imperialist or otherwise, > under UN auspices or not, in or out of line with international law." > > On the contrary: there is no "global left" opposition to speak of, as far > as I am aware, to the U.S.-Russia agreement, which is a form of > interference. The agreement demands that the government of Syria take > particular actions to liquidate its chemical weapons program, on pain of > international punishment for noncompliance. " > > The whole discourse about some GLOBAL LEFT holding this or that seems a > bit weird. What on earth is this global left? Anyway quite a few leftist > groups support the Russia Syria agreement perhaps that is the global left > being spoken off. I have no idea whether the Syrian refugees are leftist > or not. No doubt many leftists support overthrowing Assad as well but many > less think that it should be through a US attack on Syria.Surely Naiman is > correct that there is no "global left" opposed to the agreement. The > complaints of refugees in a refugee camp does not change that. Nor does the > position of Free Syrian Army. If it is part of the Global Left then it too > supports intervention as do the refugees just a different intervention. So > even if your refugees are part of what you call the Global Left they are > not opposed to any intervention just the intervention of the Russia US > deal. THey are fine with a US attack. This would still show that the author > of the article is mistaken in thinking that the GLobal Left always opposes > any sort of intervention. > Perhaps few people dispute with you because they do not find it worth > while. > > Cheers, ken > > > Blog: http://kenthink7.blogspot.com/index.html > Blog: http://kencan7.blogspot.com/index.html > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Louis Proyect <[email protected]> > *To:* Progressive Economics <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, September 15, 2013 8:26:59 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Pen-l] Sleeping with the Enemy: The Global Left and the > 'No to War' Discourse > > On 9/15/13 9:07 PM, Julio Huato wrote: > > The problem is that you attack people personally, mock them, ridicule > > them, disqualify them because they are holding (or, worse, because they > > once held) views you disagree(d) with. > > Dude, PEN-L has archives. And I also keep copies of the email I send to > PEN-L. This was my response to Robert: > > > I imagine that everybody is happy with it [the USA-Russia agreement], > except for these malcontents: > > http://www.thenation.com/article/176158/we-just-wish-hit-put-end-massacres > > -- > > Things escalated after that but don't blame me. Robert has been on 10 > times as many flame wars on PEN-L than me. In fact you have a lot of > nerve making such accusations since anybody familiar with my presence > here knows that I *very rarely* get into disputes with anybody here. > > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > > -- Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org [email protected]
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