On 2014-01-21, at 7:32 PM, Eugene Coyle wrote:

> Marv,
> 
>       I'm chagrined to learn (and not for the first time) that I;m such a 
> poor communicator.  You do misunderstand me and the blame is mine.  I should 
> make up a signature block that says "NO CUT IN PAY" several times.  

Thanks for clarifying, Gene. In my time, I've run into many well-intentioned 
people on the left who have advocated for "work sharing" - ie. voluntary pay 
cuts in a bid, usually unsuccessful, to avoid workmates being laid off - and 
constrained mass purchasing power in the interests of the environment. Glad to 
see you're not among them.



> On Jan 21, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Marv Gandall wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 2014-01-21, at 1:38 PM, Eugene Coyle wrote:
>> 
>>>     What progressive economists must provide is a path to Visualizing a 
>>> different future.  I see that as happening through a repeated shortening of 
>>> working hours, till wants and aspirations can include something beyond 
>>> consumption that can never deliver a better life.  
>> 
>> There has been a repeated shortening of working hours expressed in a steady 
>> increase in part-time, term, and casual employment over recent decades at 
>> the expense of full time employment - all accompanied by a corresponding 
>> loss of income. Most workers who have been forced to accept these precarious 
>> forms of employment are living near or below the poverty line. That's why 
>> the once powerful working class trade union and socialist movement insisted 
>> on shorter hours at no loss in pay. If, as is increasingly feared, the pace 
>> of jobs lost to automation will this time far outstrip new job creation, a 
>> dramatic reduction in work time accompanied by at least the maintenance of 
>> current living standards will become a pressing political issue. Most 
>> workers are currently scrambling to meet their basic needs, and they will 
>> not want to visualize a different future which threatens to erode their 
>> conditions still further. Unless I'm misunderstanding, your reference to 
>> moving "beyond consumption" suggests this is what you have in mind.
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