No actually citing Andre Malm's recent piece on the the replacement of
hydropower by coal in textile mills in the 18th century. I can't speak for
Cockshott but suspect he was thinking of the same piece.  Why did coal
replace water power in England, Scotland and Wales? For running textile
mills, hydro gave you better better production per hour of labor with no
more operating skill required. Further capital and operating costs other
than labor were lower. And right through 1870 was enough unused prime hydro
potential to run every textile mill  England, Scotland and Wales, and as
late as 1870 trade literature and parliamentary enquiries show that hydor
was cheaper and more productive. So why coal

Very simple: Hydro was mostly in rural communities - close enough to
marketsw and with good accessible transport, but far from labor centers.
Labor had to be imported and coaxed with either high wages or various types
of non-wage compentsation.. Whearas steam plants could be located in big
cities and towns in the midst of large labor pools. By 1830, probably
sooner  that ability to tap cheap labor was a decisive advantage. As labor
militancy in the textile industry grew there was a second advantage. When
workers when on strike, they could be replaced immediately in the steam
plants. Whereas in the water mills where workers  had to be imported,
strikebreaking was more difficult and more expensive.  In the mills that
was only advantage coal had over hydro - ability to tap into cheap labor
pools, both to lower initial labor costs and  break strikes.  No reduction
in quantity of labor compared to hydro. No ability to use less trained
labor..   The only advantage in coal over hydro in mills up about 1870 was
redistribution of income and power from labor to capital.

Of course this only applied to mills. Obviously, coal was the superior to
wood in smelting, and superior to animals for running railroads and
steamships.   Still I think an interesting and indicative point: social
technological choices not always driven by true technical advantage.  Not
unknown, but I think it gets overlooked in some of these discussion.


On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Gar Lipow <[email protected]> wrote:

> Cockshott's point on a related thread remains valid. Coal replace hydro
> mainly as a means of strikebreaking. booksandjournals.brillonline.com
> \content\journals\10.1163\1569206x-12341279
>
> And yes electricity can replace much oil transport - Specifically when it
> comes to ground transport. Trains are a mature technology though replace
> most car traffic of them would require a reversal of sprawl in many
> nations.  Given replacement of fossil fuels with renewable electricity,
> many unsurvivable practices could be replaced by survivialbe ones. Water
> efficiency and desalinzation, capture and composting of organic waste to
> close to repair the  food->waste->fertilizer loop that was broken with the
> dawn of industrialization.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Perelman, Michael 
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>> The Corn Laws raised the price of grain relative to people.  Suddenly the
>> railroad gained an advantage over horse drawn transportation, leading to
>> improvements in steam engines ...
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