Raghu writes

>> Don't we already have a Basic Income Guarantee in the form of the EIRP? Of 
>> course that is attached to work requirements, so a truly universal BIG 
>> detached from work requirements would be a considerable advance, no?


There are many, many pieces of the so-called "safety net."  Just to mention 
some:

Earned Income Tax Credit
Food stamps
SSI
Social Security
Unemployment Ins.
LIHEAP (low income heating and cooling assistance)
Section 8 housing
Veterans Benefits
Medicaid
Medicare
TANF
WIC (woman and children food program)

Many have means tests and many have onerous application processes and no 
guarantees.  I see a few on the list from which I've benefited.
In addition are the tax breaks for various reasons -- mortgage deduction for 
example.

Romney complained that 47% already would rather collect than to work.  George 
Schultz had another statistic, over 50% of working age collecting something.

The BIG would roll it all in, with no means test.  Whether all the programs 
could be eliminated seems doubtful.

I share your skepticism re most of the rich not coming from privileged 
backgrounds.

Most of the extant proposals for a BIG are to be funded out of the Federal 
budget -- and who would pay the taxes seems now tilted to the middle class 
rather than the affluent.  I interpret the proposals as based on the idea that  
"We have a good thing going, a roaring party with income for the 10%, lets keep 
it going by giving money to those who might express their resentment in 
untoward ways."

The proposals that dominate are not intended to redistribute income, as I 
interpret them, but rather to keep the peace.  As such they deflect analysis 
away from competing ways of redistributing income, which makes them, IMO, right 
wing.

There is a separate category, not a right wing idea  --  for example the Alaska 
Permanent Fund -- which doesn't come from tax receipts and is a dividend rather 
than a welfare payment.  Peter Barnes is advocating that the receipts from the 
commons be paid as dividends to individuals.  And he lists many "assets" that 
we own in common -- the atmosphere, for example, where the money gained from 
charging those discharging pollutants into "our" air be paid as a dividend.  
The spectrum is another example.  Barnes mentions many things he calls 
"co-owned wealth", including the knowledge gained over centuries.  See his 
recent book With Liberty and Dividends For All.  

Gene






On May 22, 2015, at 11:32 AM, raghu <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Eugene Coyle <[email protected]> wrote:
> And here's the Left, or some of it, conceding that workers won't get a share 
> of the GDP and settling for BIG and maybe part-time work behind the wheel of 
> an Uber.
> And raising a few chickens in the yard.
> 
> Don't we already have a Basic Income Guarantee in the form of the EIRP? Of 
> course that is attached to work requirements, so a truly universal BIG 
> detached from work requirements would be a considerable advance, no?
> 
> I don't understand why the BIG is considered as a right-wing idea. Every 
> person having a no-strings attached share of national wealth is a good thing, 
> no?
> 
> 
>  
> PS  And, of course, Buffet's analysis of why some people, those talented 
> folks, get rich, and others, hard working and decent as they are, do not, is, 
> in one word, farcical.  In two words, historically farcical.
> 
> He makes this remarkable claim right in the first paragraph that "we have the 
> Forbes 400, most of whom did not come from privileged backgrounds". Is that 
> really true? Or is this a case of lying with numbers?
> 
> I'd have guessed that the majority of the super-rich inherited substantial 
> wealth, and I'd be genuinely surprised if that was not the case..
> -raghu.
> 
> 
> 
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