On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Charlie <[email protected]> wrote:
<snip> > As your reductio ad absurdam brings out, > social democrats buy into the framework that everyone can be happy under > capitalism. > > And now a referendum. "The [Syriza-ANEL] government says that the > proposal of the lenders is outside the people's mandate. Is its own > [cutbacks] proposal _inside_ the boundaries of the people's mandate? The > government told lies to the Greek people. It promised them [e.g., > Syriza's Thessalonica platform] that they could be freed from the > memoranda and austerity inside the EU and the capitalist development > path and now it is trying to manage the collapse of this pre-election > narrative." > > http://inter.kke.gr/en/articles/KKE-NO-to-the-continuing-bankruptcy-of-the-people/ As to social democrats, many parts of the Syriza coalition are marxists, anarchist and communists who recognize that abolishing capitalism within Greece is not an option at the moment. Given that the Greek people demand both staying within the euro and ending austerity, they would not have supported making a choice until it had been demonstrated. Given that Syriza now has to violate its campaign pledge of doing both, it is only right to submit to referendum. In an alternate universe Costas Lapvitsas would have been at the head of the coalition, and this referendum would have been held in early March. But since we live in this universe, taking five months rather than one for the policy transformation is not an outrageous delay. If the Greek people vote "yes" on the referendum then Syriza will have failed. Otherwise the opportunity is not yet lost. > > > - - - > > On Jun 15, 2015, Charlie wrote: > > > Sometime little details speak more than official generalities. > (Greek Reporter, Jun 15, 2015) Creditors criticized the fact that > the 11-member Greek negotiating team had breakfast at the expensive > Sablon area and stayed at the equally expensive, luxurious The Hotel in > the same area. They said that it was too extravagant for a team to fly > with a state airplane and go through all these expenses for a 45-minute > meeting that led nowhere. > > http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/06/15/creditors-angered-by-greeces-infeasible-vague-proposals/ > < > > On Jun 28, 2015, Gar replied: > > > > Well it certainly does reveal how petty the creditors are. Syriza > agreed to cut its own throat. The creditors turned down that agreement > on grounds that the razor had the wrong logo. Perhaps if the Greek > negotiating team had traveled in rowboats, slept in tents and scavenged > meals out of garbage cans that touching show of humility would have > resulted in the creditors taking "yes" for an answer > < > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > -- Facebook: Gar Lipow Twitter: GarLipow Solving the Climate Crisis web page: SolvingTheClimateCrisis.com Grist Blog: http://grist.org/author/gar-lipow/ Online technical reference: http://www.nohairshirts.com
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