"In response to the justified uprising of the Palestinian people, Zionist activists have chosen to organize a 'Jewish Lives Matter' rally in Times Square this Sunday, October 18th at 5:00pm. They will be wearing blue and white to represent Israel, as well as IDF t-shirts. Besides the fact that they are appropriating the black liberation movement by hijacking the slogan Black Lives Matter, *they are holding a moment of silence for* *murdered israelis without regard for the disproportionate violence and* *death experienced by the Palestinians every day*."
This is an appeal to universalism. Why would anyone expect "Zionist activists" to have any "regard for the disproportionate violence and death experienced by the Palestinians every day"? Why shouldn't they just focus on "murdered Israelis," if that's what they care about? Only if "Zionist activists" could be held to account to some higher moral standard besides merely "what's good for the Jews." "They are glorifying the terrorist organization of the IDF, who are responsible for the torture and murder of Palestinian civilians. In the past week, over 20 Palestinian youth have been murdered by settlers, many of which have graphic video evidence being taunted by and mutilated by israeli settlers during and after death. *Where is their moment of silence*? This Sunday, we stand against outrageous number Palestinian children and civilians that have been murdered by those belonging to the same Zionist group as those gathering in Times Square on this day." Again, faulting the "Zionist activists" for not having a "moment of silence" for Palestinian victims. "We stand against 'Israels right to defend' itself against innocent children and civilians who clearly pose no threat." No Israelis have been killed? If people who appear to be civilians are engaging in "random attacks," how would one know who is and isn't a threat? In what way does this rant conform to a higher moral standard than the thing that it is criticizing? Why no acknowledgment of Israeli civilians being killed, if one is criticizing others for picking only some victims as worthy of concern? To many people who are not already "members of the choir," this will be perceived as celebrating violence against Israeli civilians. Of course, it's your democratic right to celebrate violence against Israeli civilians. But it's not much of a strategy for building support for Palestinian rights in the United States. === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org [email protected] (202) 448-2898 x1 On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Joseph Catron <[email protected]> wrote: > One snickers to imagine a Naimanesque critique of the Black Panthers: > > "When I see stuff like this, it makes me shake my head and not want to > be involved. What is the point here? Is it to organize Blacks, > atheists, Stalinists, or is it to organize Americans more broadly to > oppose US policy? ..." > > Etc., etc. I don't know where you're getting this "universalist > narrative" crap; you seem to have simply made it up. And your aversion > to Trots has you seeing them where there are none. You might check > under your bed next! > > As I said, your brand of whiny liberalism may have a role, as > masturbatory and annoying as the rest of us find it. But don't act > shocked that it hasn't caught on like wildfire in Palestinian > communities. I doubt it will. > > If you want something else, the onus is on you to make it happen. I > have zero tolerance for those who complain that radical Palestinians > don't organize white liberal efforts, or vice versa, really. We all > are what we are. > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:51 AM, Robert Naiman > <[email protected]> wrote: > > The problem with this - if one cares about political change in the United > > States, some people don't - isn't that it's too white. It's that it's too > > Trot. It's not trying to appeal to and move US public opinion. It's the > > self-congratulatory ultra-left, strutting its stuff, jerking itself off. > If > > it were trying to move public opinion - especially in New York City - it > > wouldn't attack Jews for caring about Jewish lives. It wouldn't slam Jews > > for not having a universalist narrative and then try to substitute that > with > > a pro-Palestinian narrative, rather than a universalist narrative. > > > > Dave Dellinger told the story that when he visited North Vietnam during > the > > Vietnam War, Vietnamese government officials said to him, we love the > > anti-war demonstrations in the US, that's really great, we want to see > more > > of that. But there's one thing that puzzles us, perhaps you could explain > > it. Why do we see anti-war demonstrators carrying NLF flags? The anti-war > > demonstrators should be carrying American flags. > > > > "Every shopkeeper knows the distinction between what men are, and what > they > > say they are. But our bourgeois historians have not yet won this most > > trivial insight." > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert Naiman > > Policy Director > > Just Foreign Policy > > www.justforeignpolicy.org > > [email protected] > > (202) 448-2898 x1 > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:15 AM, Joseph Catron <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> Robert, can you name a single successful movement in US history - > >> hell, let's be generous and say world history - that included only > >> whiny liberals? > >> > >> I'll be the first to admit whiny liberals have their role. Everything > >> takes an ecology of actors. But if we're all whiny liberals, I suspect > >> nothing's going to get done. > >> > >> Yes, the people involved in these actions are overwhelmingly > >> Palestinian, and predominantly Muslim. So what? There are others in > >> the city for those wanting something ... whiter. > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:55 AM, Robert Naiman > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > When I see stuff like this, it makes me shake my head and not want to > be > >> > involved. What is the point here? Is it to organize Palestinians, > >> > Muslims, > >> > Trots, or is it to organize Americans more broadly to oppose US and > >> > Israeli > >> > policy? If the latter, the rhetoric doesn't make sense. It attacks the > >> > adversary for having a narrative of defending Jewish lives rather than > >> > having a universalist narrative, but the competitor narrative it > offers > >> > isn't a universalist narrative, but a "pro-Palestinian" narrative. Is > >> > that a > >> > basis for organizing Americans who aren't already members of the > choir? > >> > > >> > Oh, look, the International Action Center is involved. What a > surprise. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Robert Naiman > >> > Policy Director > >> > Just Foreign Policy > >> > www.justforeignpolicy.org > >> > [email protected] > >> > (202) 448-2898 x1 > >> > > >> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Joseph Catron <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> >> From: A.R. G via Marxism <[email protected]> > >> >> Date: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:22 PM > >> >> Subject: [Marxism] SOLIDARITY WITH THE PALESTINIAN UPRISING, 18 Oct > >> >> 5PM, > >> >> NYC > >> >> To: [email protected] > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > >> >> #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > >> >> #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > >> >> #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > >> >> ***************************************************************** > >> >> > >> >> *From NYC Students for Justice in Palestine & NY4Palestine* > >> >> > >> >> https://www.facebook.com/events/1509792672665088/1509867779324244/ > >> >> > >> >> *Sunday, 18 October 2015, 5PM Times Square* > >> >> > >> >> In the past few weeks over 30 Palestinians have been killed and more > >> >> than > >> >> 300 wounded in acts of IDF/settler agression in the West Bank, East > >> >> Jerusalem and Gaza. > >> >> > >> >> *BRING A PALESTINIAN FLAG AND A KEFFIYEH WITH YOU*. We will make > Times > >> >> Square a SEA of Palestinian flags to show the zionists how many stand > >> >> with > >> >> our cause. > >> >> > >> >> In response to the justified uprising of the Palestinian people, > >> >> Zionist > >> >> activists have chosen to organize a 'Jewish Lives Matter' rally in > >> >> Times > >> >> Square this Sunday, October 18th at 5:00pm. They will be wearing blue > >> >> and > >> >> white to represent Israel, as well as IDF t-shirts. Besides the fact > >> >> that > >> >> they are appropriating the black liberation movement by hijacking the > >> >> slogan Black Lives Matter, they are holding a moment of silence for > >> >> murdered israelis without regard for the disproportionate violence > and > >> >> death experienced by the Palestinians every day. > >> >> > >> >> They are glorifying the terrorist organization of the IDF, who are > >> >> responsible for the torture and murder of Palestinian civilians. In > the > >> >> past week, over 20 Palestinian youth have been murdered by settlers, > >> >> many > >> >> of which have graphic video evidence being taunted by and mutilated > by > >> >> israeli settlers during and after death. Where is their moment of > >> >> silence? > >> >> This Sunday, we stand against outrageous number Palestinian children > >> >> and > >> >> civilians that have been murdered by those belonging to the same > >> >> Zionist > >> >> group as those gathering in Times Square on this day. > >> >> > >> >> We stand against 'Israels right to defend' itself against innocent > >> >> children > >> >> and civilians who clearly pose no threat. > >> >> > >> >> We stand in solidarity with the movement for Palestinian liberation > >> >> from > >> >> 60+ years of Zionist occupation, violence, and settler-colonialism. > >> >> > >> >> We stand in retaliation to the appropriation of the black liberation > >> >> movement. > >> >> > >> >> We stand against Zionist repression, and racist Zionist ideology that > >> >> weighs israeli deaths as warranting more outrage than that of > >> >> Palestinians, > >> >> when Palestinian deaths are greater in number and weaker in > >> >> justification. > >> >> > >> >> Bring keffiyehs, flags, signs and join us on this day. Join us loudly > >> >> in > >> >> proclaiming that Resistance is not Terrorism, Occupation and > >> >> Colonialism > >> >> are Terrorism! > >> >> > >> >> *Endorsed by:* > >> >> NYC Students for Justice in Palestine > >> >> NY4Palestine > >> >> American Muslims for Palestine (AMP) NY & NJ > >> >> Al-Awda NY: The Palestine Right to Return Coalition > >> >> Samidoun Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network > >> >> International Action Center > >> >> Existence is Resistance > >> >> Labor for Palestine > >> >> NYC Solidarity with Palestine > >> >> Muslim American Society - MAS NY > >> >> Jews for Palestinian Right of Return > >> >> - Amith > >> >> _________________________________________________________ > >> >> Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > >> >> Set your options at: > >> >> http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/jncatron%40gmail.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> "Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure > >> >> mægen lytlað." > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> pen-l mailing list > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > pen-l mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> "Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure > >> mægen lytlað." > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pen-l mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pen-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > > > > > > -- > "Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure > mægen lytlað." > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l >
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