Louis, after reading the full "once again..." post on your blog, I take it that 
what troubles you about the connection of Marx's distinction between formal and 
real subsumption of labor under capital (SLC) and his more general analysis of 
labor exploitation is that formal and real SLC seem to apply to very different 
eras of capitalist production, where formal SLC describes the early capitalist 
era in which capitalists first asserted direct oversight of artisanal and guild 
production while real SLC refers to the fully developed capitalist system. The 
apparent conflict with Marx's more general analysis of capitalist exploitation 
seems to arise from his assertion, in the "Results" chapter and elsewhere, of a 
correspondence between forms of SLC and forms of surplus value, such that 
formal subsumption yields (only) absolute surplus value while the creation of 
relative surplus value requires real SLC.  You see this claim as inconsistent 
with Marx's description in Capital Vol. I of the process of reaping absolute 
surplus value in the context of capitalist factory production.  

I think that there is no real (or formal, ha) inconsistency here, for two 
reasons.  First, Marx doesn't assert that formal and real SLC describe very 
different eras in the capitalist mode of production, just that formal SLC must 
precede real SLC (since capitalists must first have direct control over the 
production process before they can introduce desired technical changes).  Once 
capitalists have gained direct control of production (formal SLC), real SLC 
commences just as soon as capitalists realize the productivity gains of the 
very simple production changes he describes under the heading of "Co-operation" 
(Capital V. I, Chapter 13), e.g., economies of scale achieved by using common 
storehouses for raw materials or tools.  Marx identifies co-operation as the 
most basic manifestation of real SLC in his Economic Manuscript of 1861-63, 
published in English in _Marx-Engels Collected Works_ (Vol. 30, pp. 262-3, 271, 
279, also Vol. 34, 108-9).  *Full* realization of real SLC doesn't occur until 
capitalists also introduce systematic division of labor and "machinofacture,", 
described in Chapters 14 and 15 of Capital Volume I, and obviously these 
changes come much later than the simple innovations he associates with 
co-operation in production.

The second reason there's no true inconsistency is that Marx sees real SLC as 
reinforcing the gains from formal SLC, as when the advent of the factory system 
makes it possible for capitalists to further extend the working day.  For 
example, in Capital Vol I, pp. 645-6 (Fowkes translation), after reasserting 
that merely formal SLC suffices for the creation of absolute surplus value, 
Marx writes "But we have seen how methods of producing relative surplus-value 
are, at the same time, methods of producing absolute surplus-value.  Indeed, 
the unrestricted prolongation of the working day turned out to be a very 
characteristic product of large-scale industry."

For what it's worth--
Gil

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Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

In my post on “Anglocentrism and the real subsumption of labor”, I mistakenly 
attributed Marx’s discussion of formal and real subsumption to the Grundrisse.. 
In actually is contained in “The Results of the Direct Production Process”, 
which is part of a third draft of Capital that Marx wrote between the summer of 
1863 and the summer of 1864, and is based on a plan Marx made for the work in 
December 1862. After reading it, I find myself troubled by how it fits into 
Marx’s more general analysis of the exploitation of labor in light of his 
statement:

        Just as the production of absolute surplus value can be regarded as the 
material expression of the formal subsumption of labour under capital, so the 
production of relative surplus value can be regarded as that of the real 
subsumption of labour under capital.

full: 
http://louisproyect.org/2016/01/24/once-again-on-the-formalreal-subsumption-question/
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