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From: "andie nachgeborenen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


I don't see what is so problematic about the idea of
abstract entities. The world is full of weird entities
that it is useful to posit -- that is, to say that
they exist. Classes. Quarks (those are physical, but
strange). Meanings. Minds. Why not numbers? But if we
say that they exist, at least in my book, we mean it,
it's not "as if," it's not pretend. I know some people
have an urge -- Ive had it myself -- to make
everything explicable in physical terms. But that's a
metaphysical prejudice. Why does everything have to be
physical?

jks


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Occam's razor drives a lot of it.

Should we say that the English language existed before human beings, or
the Chinese language? These are as abstract as the language of mathematics
and we have no way of determining, with language/symbols, whether
mathematics has non-linguistic/non-symbolic properties of any kind. If we
can explain the emergence of the English or Chinese language via a
contemporary and future cosmology and theory of biological evolution [esp.
neuroscience] without resorting to a dualist or pluralist metaphysics, why
shouldn't we be able to do the same with mathematics? I don't get the
'indispensibility' argument for Platonism in math simply because it
doesn't seem to cohere well with what we know about ourselves as a result
of evolutionary biology. I'm not asserting that we 'need' a reductionist
cosmology/metaphysics, just that we don't need to think of mathematics as
preexisting/older than humans in some metaspatial-temporal.....what,
exactly?

Htbw,

Ian

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