So, before there were humans, 2+2 did not = 4? There
were no twos or fours? Nine was not the number of the
planets?

Btw this makes utter nonsense of our best physical and
biological theories of the world. So these entities
are not dispensible, and Occam sez, keep 'em.

jks
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CB: 2 + 2 = 4 is an idea. Before humans there were no ideas. Ideas do not
have an existence independent of humans.

Before humans there were planets, but no ideas of them. Planets, unlike
ideas, have an existence independent of humans.

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