"Devine, James" wrote:
>
> so far, the Bushwhackers have succeeded in steering most of the benefits
of empire in the direction of their fraction of the capitalists, while costs
are borne by the vast majority. In the longer run, that may not be true.

I think the costs and benefits of empire (pre-capitalist as well as
capitalist) have almost always been allocated in rather twisted ways. I
think a good argument can be made that during the entire span of English
occupation of India, it cost more to control India than _England as a
whole_ got out of India. The beneficiaries were (a) a sector of big
capital and (b) the civil service which ran both India _and_ England in
the service of capital. The costs came out of the British working class.

Carrol


^^^^^^

CB: Based on historical experience, isn't it impossible to run a capitalist
empire smoothly ?  Capitalism must mean mass poverty, war and racism. Nobody
has managed capitalism in a way that avoids these. Capitalism's fundamental
contradictions are irresolvable within capitalism. Although, as we have said
many times here, war crisis or economic crisis doesn't at all automatically
translate into socialist revolution, capitalism cannot avoid severe crises.
As Carrol mentions, good class management from the standpoint of the
capitalists means dumping the crisis on working people;or as Jim D. implied,
even dumping it on other capitalists than your own.

The latter would seem to be a lacking in ruling class consciousness
actually. To the extent that the Bush policies are against the interests of
a large section of the capitalists, they may indicate a significant division
in the ruling class, and thereby a new formation of interimperialist
conflict.

However, we would have to have greater class-conscious organization in the
working class if we are to take strategic advantage of such a hypothetical
division among capitalists.

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