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Michael H writes: >neo-cons ... as 'liberals' (some of whom, as we
know, had been socialists in their youth), felt betrayed by various
changes of 1960s, they generally supported new deal but opposed great
society, they were cultural traditionalists and disliked so-called
permissive morality, they were almost unanimous in criticizing what
they considered lack of u.s. resolve in vietnam (and cold war foreign
policy elsewhere)...<

was John Bolton a socialist at any point? I think it was Doonesbury
that implied as much.
JD
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i'd be surprised if any of current crop of 'neo-conservatives' were socialists 
in their youth, they are children - in some cases, literally, amongst new group 
are irving kristol's and norman podhoretz's sons - of group that emerged 30-40 
years ago...

while two groups have certain things in common, some so-called 'neo-cons' in 
bush administration were otensibly influenced by late university of chicago 
political philosopher leo strauss who rejected 'liberal relativism' which he 
claimed separated facts and values, result would be loss of virtue opening door 
for nihilism (all values are baseless) and totalitarianism (total control of 
all aspects of life), 

earlier neo-cons may have had similar views but i don't think they arrived at 
such via strauss, in any event, 'straussians' in bush administration, believing 
that u.s. has responsibility to spread democracy around globe, think that it is 
appropriate/correct to pursue policies * including war *  intended to topple 
certain dictators*     michael hoover
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