I wrote:
>> The "nationalist model of  growth" refers to process in which a
country aims to promote balanced growth  primarily based on its own
resources and its own domestic markets, with a  nationalistic ideology
to back it up. There are a variety of different  versions <<

Comment:
>I am not sure a "nationalistic ideology" is a necessary  ingredient
.Actually, the British model  was developed on the basis of an
"internationalist, globalist" ideology promulgated by the fallacies of
Ricardo's  trade theories, which led Friedrich List in Germany to
denounce it as an  Anglo-Saxon trick to keep themselves ahead of the
rest, in his "National System  of Political Economy" where he also 
postulated the Infant Industry  argument as the basis for a protected
national development . Later on,  the  ECLA structuralist school of LA
economics designed the import substitution  models (not taught in US
Econ depts) on the basis of strict sound economic  reasoning , where
ideology was absent. (Perhaps too absent, some  claim). <

I didn't say that all models of growth (e.g., the British) were nationalist.

It's news to me that I didn't go to a US Econ dept. Because I did
learn about import substitution and ECLA.

I also said:
>> "Nationalist growth leads to debt accumulation  almost naturally,
as does almost any growth process. (If I had my druthers,  however,
poor countries would eschew debt as much as possible" <<

Comment:
>Growth, nationalist or not, can not proceed, without the creation of
debt,  unless the surplus in the economy reaches fantastic proportions
and is totally  reinvested. Debt, also shouldn't be a problem under
the state theory of sovereign  money and credit. Debt is a problem
when it has to be undertaken in the currency  of other countries,
usually under hegemonic conditions. Observe, how the UK  and the US
were creditor countries for many years. <

I don't see how we're disagreeing. Part of the problem of economic
dependency is the inability to issue a "strong" currency that's
acceptable internationally so that the country doesn't have to borrow
dollars or pounds. Further, I didn't use the word "hegemony," but
there's no way that I could forget that Latin America is under US
hegemony.

I add:
>> "Agencies  such as the World Bank have also been known to push
loans too hard, encouraging  indebtedness by countries that can't
afford it. Local ruling elites often favor  raising external debt," <<

Comment:
>It wasn't really the World Bank (which  is only involved in big
infrastructure loans), but Wall St,  which first  pushed these private
and government loans trying to put to use the recycled  petro-dollars
in US and European banks starting back in the mid 70's.. They did 
this with the aid of 1-US financial deregulation and by 2- Working
sweet heart  deals with the local private and political elites and 3-
through the utilization  of the IMF as a financial enforcing Interpol 
through  the imposition  of so called "structural adjustment programs
and a drastic monetarist model in  which autonomous monetary policy
was basically ceded to the IMF. This has been  the major contribution
of Econ depts in the US led by MIT and Chicago to the  development  of
the third world. The whole thing was done through the  application of
all fashioned imperial military ,political and economic  power. As the
privatization programs were enforced, Wall St financiers  laughed all
the way to the bank as they cashed in the issuing of financial  claims
on the previous public assets. Of course, a good portion went to the 
local elites which ceased to exist as "national bourgeoisies" and
which led to  the present nationalistic and indigenous fervor in South
America. Needless to  say, a great portion of these loans went to
speculative activities in financial  markets, gladly re-financed by
Wall St up to the point they became Ponzi schemes  and collapsed on
their own weight. The final catastrophe , got nothing to do  with
"nationalism", but to the contrary, to the lack of it. <

no disagreement here. I never said that the World Bank was the _only_
cause of the debt crisis.

I think the only way that the countries of Latin America could have
the true nationalism that you seem to be advocating would be to get
rid of the bourgeoisies, replacing them with socialism. A good idea.

By the way, I'd appreciate it if you'd tone down your attitude a bit.

--
Jim Devine / "There can be no real individual freedom in the presence
of economic insecurity." -- Chester Bowles

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