On Jun 16, 2006, at 5:48 PM, Charles Brown wrote: > The obvious Warren Commission coverup played a role in causing many> youth> eventually to question the whole system. For some , like me, it was> part of> the road to becoming a Marxist. Many people do not have an idea how> vicious> their government can be.
So They popped JFK because he was going to withdraw from Vietnam? He was a vicious Cold Warrior who ran on a bogus Missile Gap, and brought the world to the brink of nuclear war over Cuba. He ordered his brother Robert to bring terror to Cuba. He was an imperialist in good standing. This sort of thing makes no sense, Charles. Doug ^^^^^^ CB: What I say about the JFK makes excellent sense. The "blasé , blasé , oh , that doesn't make any sense line" is what makes no sense. Leftists feigning indifference , and worse , using phony disdain to silence other leftists who investigate clear evidence of giant divisions and fuckups in the U.S. ruling class goes nowhere with me. It's not that he was assassinated by the rabid anti-Communist, anti-Soviet _wing_ of the US ruling class anticipatorily on Viet Nam withdrawal ,but for actualized "Cold War treason" : 1) failing to invade Cuba,i.e. losing the Cuban standoff with the SU and 2) signing the Test Ban treaty with the SU. Part of the reason, I guess, some don't see these as adequate reasons is that they underestimate the importance and working class nature of the SU ( a form of anti-Sovietism), and so don't want to give the SU "credit" for getting under the imperialists' skins this much. I guess. Anyway, there's some element of undeestimating the SU that plays a role. Nuclear confrontation was very, very big. It was the biggest political and class struggle issue. There's a sort of political anmesia about that today. Understandably, because nuclear standoff has got to really stress people unconsciously. I can see repressing the memory of it. Kennedy was still in the ruling class, but this was a split in the ruling class. That's big one thing that makes it something Marxist "cognizable". This was a frontline class struggle issue in that period. Note, LBJ invaded the Dominican Republic in 1965. He learned from JFK's mistake. For emphasis: this is a class struggle based hypthesis for the Marxists. The main front of the class struggle in this period was the Cold War. The rabid wing of the U.S. ruling class ( John Birchers and super anti-commies of all types) thought of it this way, and that's why Kennedy's failings on those fronts was a hittable offense. In general, 60's/70's left discussions of things like COINTELPRO, FBI, red squads, MLK assassination, Black Panther infiltration and assassination would have been silenced or ridiculed by todays anti-conspiracy "theory" arguments. I can't understand how middleaged radicals could forget all the discussion of government conspriacies on the left from that period, nor how people could summarize those analyses as politcally incorrect, running afoul of the "capitalism is a system not policy" principle , etc. Of course, we investigate and expose spy police wrongdoing on the left ! This is crazy ! Weird , even ! (Even as we make any spies on the central committee do good work). Particularly disturbing is that the notion and term "conspiracy theoy" originated in the monopoly media, and is now picked up wholecloth by the left. That makes it bourgeois thinking infecting the left. I'd be a bit more skeptical and contemplative , "slick" about the meaning of a message that the "ruling class" puts out conspiracy theory leaks. Think a little more like "Spy vs Spy", or game theory , whatever.
