Doug Henwood wrote:
I've written quite a bit on the problems of  "productivity," in fact.
But, as with hippies & 9/11 nuts, I've done  the research!
.
Unh... that 'research' and a buck sixty five will get you a cup of joe
at the finest coffee shop in Santa Cruz, where a college student, paid
minimum wage, will be Sooooo glad to serve you, and will be just as
productive as necessary to keep the job..

Productivity is not 'problems' to be solved,  although the people who
continually seek to define it have been known to commit genocide it's
name and are *definitely* a problem.

Perhaps you might want to visit what is left of Native American land up
in Northern California (or the flooded lands that used to be
reservations upstate New York), ripped off by the Europeans settlers in
the name of so-called 'productivity'... all the way into the late 20th
century and still occuring as we speak.

You might want to note that much of the decimation and termination of
Native American lifeways, land and culture was attributed to the
white-defined claim of unproductivity.

Lazy, shiftless  indians....

The Black Hills, parcelled and destroyed by gold fever.
Nevermind that it was a place of worship for many Native American groups.

They ain't tilling the land, they ain't doing anything WITH it!

...as if anything *needed* to be done WITH it, y'know...

In reality, we whites did stuff TO IT, as in rape, in the name of
'productivity'.

It was rationalized ethnocide on the native culture, disguised a
benevolent, paternal, assimilation... and apparently, Doug, that would
be OK with you, if you had lived in the 19th century, with your 19th
century concept of "productive", which I believe you mean as societally
motivated to conform to some gerrymandered work-ethic, due to your
repeated reference to... 'hippie'.

But enough about that insignificant stuff. The socio-psychology of
ethnocide and genocide, and how seemingly intelligent, caring people buy
into it without even noticing.

What I really want to type about is the productivity inherent in...
shall we call it: 'creative slacking'?

Keep in mind that the minds who created the Eniacs, the IBM 360s et al
were NOT 'slacking', and their motivations were highlty suspect. See:
http://www.norad.mil/about_us/blast.jpg

Working environment:
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/Images/ctrl-norad-opcenter.jpg


HOWEVER, the people who created the demand for a Personal Computer in
every pot, the 'creatives', ... Apple, the beloved Apple! Atari. ...
Video Toasters!! The lone amateur radio operator who wrote the Commodore
128 software that could run a complex Ham radio repeater/phone
patch/packet radio/crossbanding control system (with 128 K, not M of
memory), were most assuredy 'creatively slacking' a great deal of the
time. See: http://snipurl.com/veb1 [IMG]

So... What kind of research did you do in regard to  'productivity'? Was
it productive? Lucrative (as in 'filthy lucre')...and how do you like
your coffee?


Definitions of hippie on the Web:
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=define%3Ahippie&btnG=Search

someone who rejects the established culture; advocates extreme
liberalism in politics and lifestyle
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Hippie (or sometimes "hippy") is a term originally used to describe some
of the rebellious youth of the 1960s and 1970s.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippie

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Leigh
http://leighm.net/
"The crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of capitalism.
Our whole educational system suffers from this evil. An exaggerated
competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who is trained to
worship acquisitive success as a preparation for his future career." --
Albert Einstein.

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