On 11/18/06, John Gulick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
1) Many protestors in the PRC – especially idled SOE workers in their 40's
and 50's, but also some unofficial peasant associations – explicitly frame
their grievances in terms of the disappearance of socialist entitlements and
the loss of an egalitarian ethos.  There is thus an implicit demand among an
unmeasured segment of ordinary people for some combination of a "return to
(a) state socialist past... or progress to a new democratic socialist
future." Scholars ranging from Elizabeth Perry (fairly mainstream academic
Sinologist) to Robert Weil (reconstructed Maoist) have documented this. This
sentiment may not be universal, coherent, or in possession of an independent
organizational vehicle, but it is unmistakably there.

One can say that there is an implicit demand in many workers' and
peasants' struggles for progress to a new democratic socialist future,
in China or anywhere else for that matter.  That sustains our faith in
socialism.  But in my posting I was looking at here and now, plus the
near future, at the level of practical politics: absence of a coherent
national movement presenting a viable alternative to what the current
power elite in China offer.

Did the rural populace in the 1940's flock to the
leadership of the Red Army because they believed in the principles of
Maoism, or because in the liberated zones they sought effective refuge from
usury, rack-rent, crooked administration, collaboration with the Japanese
killing machine, and so on?

Is there anything comparable to the Red Army to which the discontented
populace can flock today?  Is one likely to emerge soon?

3) Some of the demands which you yourself classify as "economistic" are
anything but:

By economistic I mean the absence of the tribune of the oppressed at
the national level, giving coherence to myriad struggles based on
myriad problems and striving to present a structural alternative to
capitalist development.

Why not just contend that China's ascent to the status of economic colossus
is a net gain because fostering international alliances against US empire is
more politically important than moving toward democratic socialism at home?
Why all the tendentious assertions about the complacent social consciousness
of the PRC's popular classes?

I'm not saying the PRC's popular classes are particularly complacent
in comparison to popular classes in other nations where myriad
struggles also exist.  I'm saying that the former are in many respects
like the latter in grievances and aspirations, and higher growth rates
in China than most other nations, which create a large number of
winners as well as losers in China, make it unlikely that individual
struggles will become a structural alternative to capitalism in China
while economic growth lasts.  In short, my argument is for realism.
--
Yoshie
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