michael a. lebowitz  wrote:
         But Marx, when talking about the relation between surplus value and
profit/interest/rent (or value and price)--- which is the relation relevant
to 'transformation' issues--- is not talking about 'shared characteristics'
(which implies coexisting on the same level); rather, he is explicitly
talking about 'invisible essence' and surface forms--- which cannot exist on
the same level:

 "Surplus-value and the rate of surplus-value are… the invisible essence to
be investigated, whereas the rate of profit and hence the form of
surplus-value as profit are visible surface phenomena" (Marx, 1981b: 134).

of course Marx used the words "essence" and "invisible." But I've
found "shared characteristics" to be theoretically clearer. It helps
me understand what Marx is talking about. (A major part of my general
method is to try to translate all academic language into different
terms -- sometimes other academic language -- to see if the
translation works. I think this one does, and in fact improves our
understanding.)

I don't know exactly what's meant by "coexisting on the same level."
Surplus-value and profit/interest/rent do not exist on the same level
in our minds and in Marx's order of presentation in CAPITAL.
Profit/interest/rent is something that's immediately obvious to the
casual observer, whereas the real-world existence of SV is something
that can be perceived by applying the "acid of abstraction" (but not
the "acid of lysergic"). So they are on different _mental_ levels to
us. In CAPITAL, on the other hand, Marx progressively goes from the
abstract toward the concrete and so presents SV first (in volume I)
and then profit/interest/rent (in volume III).

My point is that both profit/interest/rent and SV are on "the same
level" in the real world in the sense that the both exist as
characteristics of real-world production under capitalism. The former
is diverse, heterogeneous, while the latter is homogeneous,
representing the shared characteristics of the former.
--
Jim Devine / "Because things are the way they are, things will not
stay the way they are." -- Bertolt Brecht

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