Yoshie wrote:

We won't run out of oil, but we can
very well run out of time to prevent
the worst climate disasters if Hansen
is correct.  That is especially the
case since there is no Left to speak
of in the USA, the US working class
are mostly politically inactive, and
the US power elite have not sense of
urgency of action.  How do you propose
to change these political facts and
begin to "alter fundamentally the
trajectory of global greenhouse
emissions" in ten years?

There are several premises in this question that I believe are not warranted.

First, I don't think that the U.S. working class is politically
inactive.  Not at all.  To be brutal, in many and fundamental ways,
traditional working-class political action in the U.S. is subordinated
to the interest of U.S. capitalists.  However, the embryo of
independent political action is also apparent, if we care to notice.
It's been for too long, basically and until recently, political action
of the defensive type.  The class is terribly disunited.  Basic
solidarity towards the poorest, most vulnerable sectors of the class
(immigrants, minorities) is lacking.  The negative trends affecting
the union movement haven't stopped.  Etc.  Etc.

But there's political motion.  It may be not be to our taste or meet
our personal standards of what working-class political action should
be, but it is political motion nonetheless.  Otherwise, things would
be much worse.

A very clear example of a mix between political and economic
collective action among workers is the growth in the demand for
universal health care and, in general, for limiting the risk working
families are exposed to.  This opposition has been growing steadily.
I'm not saying it's very coherent, but it *is* political motion.  It
finds political expression through a myriad of civic and partisan
organizations engaged in electoral processes.  The radical left has
little or nothing to do with it (it thus therefore misses a chance to
inform the process), but that's a debit for the radical left.

A most notable example of sheer working-class political action broadly
understood is the popular opposition (with a majority of working class
constituents) to the invasion and occupation of Iraq, which led to the
defeat of the Republicans in the midterm elections.  Again, some
things are still missing in that department: there's sectarianism and
lack of unity in the movement.  The movement is fragmented and has
been slow to show results, but effective it's been.  And I believe
that the full results of the antiwar opposition are yet to be
realized.  There are opportunities for substantial political
advancement.

Second, just because I emphasize that the future is not predetermined
doesn't mean I don't realize that current social conditions set limits
to what people can achieve collectively in a given period of time.  I
just insist that we shouldn't assume that working people are just
passive shadows in the background.  Given circumstances, people can
take over the central stage in the political process.  I repeat that
these things don't occur without patient and long preparation, but I
also think that this preparation (largely outside of the purview of
the radical left) is currently taking place.  Not in the extent one
would like to see and, again, with the notable absence of the radical
left, but things are moving along.  These kind of things are not
driven by ideology.  They are driven by social needs.

Finally, with regards to your direct question, I think we agree on the
answer: political action is what can turn things around: political
action that engages the existing political system with the issues the
working people are facing.

And this leads me to Carrol's reply:

We  need, simply, to focus on our
political work of organizing against
capitalism. If we are too late and
cascading disaster occurs, so be it.
Whatever disasters occur, our ability
to handle them will depend on the
strength of popular movements. So let
us work at building those popular
movements -- with whatever material
may be at hand -- and avoid the certain
disaster which comes from setting
deadlines for ourselves.

It seems to me that Carrol implies that it is possible to build a
popular movement by the sheer force of anti-capitalist propaganda.
And he seems almost gleeful about the notion that such a feat can take
forever.  I think Carrol implies (and I base my conjecture on what
I've read from him before) that popular movements can out-of-the-blue
bypass the existing political system, rather than engage it in its own
terms and transcend it organically.

I don't know of a single case in history in which a broad popular
movement, capable of disputing national political power, has
germinated outside of the existing political system, driven by pure
leftist propaganda.  None.  It's always happened *within* and
*through* the existent polis.  And it's always been as a result of the
inflexibility of the polis to adapt and channel the evolving needs of
people that people have radicalized their claims.  It's been the
gradual realization of this inflexibility of the political system that
have forced people to subvert or bypass existing political
institutions.  No sane person forces a door open when twisting the
knob suffices.

For example, in Cuba, Fidel was until before Batista's second coup in
1952 a "traditional" politician running for office.  He had a mildly
Rooseveltian economic program and a strong stance against corruption.
Then a strong stance in favor of full political independence from the
U.S. evolved as U.S. intervention in Cuba's political affairs became
more blatant, a stance that became more radical only after the Sierra
Maestra, as the U.S. helped Batista bombed the rebels.  His
revolutionary challenge to the Cuban political system only arose in
opposition to the cancellation of liberties and normal political
dissent in Cuba, that is, when Batista staged a coup and tried to
crush the opposition.

In Venezuela, Chávez challenged the political system from outside,
with his failed coup in 1992.  The people in Venezuela was expectant,
and rapidly developed sympathy towards the golpistas, but they didn't
second them massively.  What Chávez's tactics achieved at the time, by
sheer chance (Chávez negotiated his surrender and was allowed to
address the nation on TV, taking responsibility for the coup), was
mainly to let the Venezuelan working people know that he was serious
about rescuing the nation from the neoliberal onslaught.  At no point
during Chávez post-coup televised address or during his first
electoral campaign did he rail "against capitalism" -- as Carrol would
have done it.  When Chávez was released from jail, he didn't try to
stage another coup.  He switched tactics and ran for office through
the existing political/electoral system, a process that led to his
developing a strong connection with the popular movement that has
taken it to where he is at now.  It's been the latter process that has
evolved very organically into the initial stages of a potential
socialist revolution.

My point here is that, in the U.S., leftists shouldn't be trying to
"build popular movements" on the basis of propaganda "against
capitalism."  Don't get me wrong.  Radical, anti-capitalist propaganda
has a important role to play.  But it is no substitute for an actual
political strategy.  And I'll leave it at that.

Finally a comment on Miles' insistence that peak oil theories are good
at predicting oil rates.  I think he's confusing two things: the use
of statistical inference to predict *short-run* changes in variables
with strong auto-regressive components (i.e. on the premise that the
inertia of the past will prevail) and the use of statistical inference
to predict a structural break in a system.

I am fine with "predicting" today's weather by looking through the
window and noticing the way people are dressed, whether or not they
are carrying umbrellas or raincoats.  For that purpose I don't need a
structural model of the weather.  I just use the association between
the way most people on the street are dressed and the kind of weather
I can expect during the rest of the day.  And that suffices.  I mean,
there's self-reference here too, since it is not impossible that one
day everybody relies on everybody else and nobody cares to check the
weather channel before leaving home.  But most days, one can rule that
out.

However, if I'm predicting that there will be rain no more, that the
weather will shift so dramatically as to fundamentally alter the
climate.  Then I need a structural model.  Peak oil models claim that
they can determine when oil production will collapse as a result of
geological scarcity.  I'm afraid that's a structural proposition you
cannot support with a feeble regression model.

In any case, I remain deeply skeptical of Hubbert's peak oil theory.

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