I misunderstood. Yes, the coal region was not urbanized. My
response was about the years afterwards, as the drift into electoral
politics proceded and the Irish then mostly lived in the more
populated areas. The lower eastside of Manhattan for example. Many
did farm, that's what many knew in Ireland, but even then they didn't
drive westward like other immigrant groups. The goal wasns't owning
a farm but rather a saloon. The Mollies themselves were coal miners.
On Apr 16, 2007, at 8:42 PM, Michael Perelman wrote:
Not the Molly Maguires. The coal region was not terribly
urbanized. They were still
largely agrarian people at the time.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 08:21:38PM -0700, Eugene Coyle wrote:
Well, that's where the Irish immigrants were.
On Apr 16, 2007, at 7:45 PM, Michael Perelman wrote:
I thought that the electoral politics was restricted to the urban
areas & the larger
urban areas at that.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 07:34:49PM -0700, Eugene Coyle wrote:
You could say that the Molly Maguires were a radical labor
organization in Pennsylvania's coal regions just after the Civil
War. I don't know the history at first hand. In any event the
Mollies were subversive -- with perhaps a front in the Ancient
Order
of Hiberians which is still active today. (This underground and
above ground pattern is alleged to persist today in Ireland. It is
alleged that the IRA is the armed wing of Sein Fein.) (It is also
alleged that the British Army is the armed wing of "the
loyalists" as
they are called.) Arson was a common tool in Ireland against the
landlords for centuries. The Mollies were done in by the early
Pinkerton organization and generally the Irish seem to have drifted
at that time into electoral politics in the USA.
Gene Coyle
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Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
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Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
michaelperelman.wordpress.com
