The article the set off this discussion did not mention the disinclination of 
the
private petroleum companies to contribute to productivity.  Instead of 
exploration,
they use their cash hordes to buy each other's companies.  They do little for
modernization.  Consider British Petroleum's repeated industrial accidents.  
Should
we forget their contribution to shutting down alternative energy, first through
buying up startups in the 70s and through political pressure more recently.  Now
they will most certainly win huge subsidies with their "public-minded" efforts 
for
alternative energy.

Michael Hoover correctly noted that public ownership as such doesn't 
automatically
mean very much unless the government actually puts the proceeds to good use.  I
suspect that prewar Iraq had elements of both the good and bad of public 
ownership.
The country did put something back into education and health care, but I suspect
with some degree of confidence that only a small portion of the proceeds went 
to any
public purpose.

One final note that I cannot resist interjecting here.  I recall that Marx had a
concept called dialectics, in which even negative factors, such as slavery, 
could
play a progressive role.  In the same sense, Marx judged England both 
positively and
negatively.

Even in discussing something like the organization of the petroleum industry, 
some
of us have an almost reflexive instinct to declare each player either a good 
guy or
a bad guy.  Nuances seem to elude us.


--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
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