Who has used any of those terms here, inappropriately?   Calling Duncan
"Malthusian" is a wild understatement.

And to say that "selfishness" is a necessary assumption of Western
Leftist theory is a remarkable distortion, a dislocation of language
practiced so slickly and sickly by the dunderheads of the Reagan,
monetarist, Boesky, Blackstone, Stockman, Rumsfeld axis of evil.

I have no desire to debate the necessity of industrialization.  That's
not the issue.  Class, property, the social organization of labor are
the issues.

----- Original Message -----
From: "ravi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <PEN-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:04 PM
Subject: [PEN-L] Industrial society and its discontents


> On 20 Jun, 2007, at 10:51 PM, sartesian wrote:
> >
> > Be that as it may, Mr. Meyers self-congratulatory gloating about the
> > coming end of industrial society, where I guess he will beat his
> > keyboard into a plowshare...
> >
>
> What of the opposite side? The name-calling ("Luddite", "romantic",
> "Malthusian", etc) that accompanies the usual Western Leftist
> dismissal of all manners of living and organisation that threaten the
> necessary assumptions (industrialisation, selfishness, etc) of their
> theory? It matters little how technology-addicted I am for it is a
> matter of vanity (regarding self) or contempt (regarding others) to
> think that their desires might differ from mine.
>
>         --ravi
>

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