On 7/30/07, Hans Ehrbar wrote: > In all cases, I wanted to show that the environmental movement can > understand better why they are getting the reactions they do if they > looked at things through more Marxist eyes.
I agree, absolutely. > Environmentalists are > socialists without being aware of it, because production which does > the right thing with the environment cannot be subordinated to markets > but must essentially be a planned production, and the market form will > be increasingly awkward for it. The capitalists, on the other hand, > sense this necessary socialist character of a green economy and fight > it tooth and nail. Perhaps a better formulation of the subject line > would have been: the implicit socialism of the environmental movement. yes, that makes sense: "socialism" has traditionally been defined as advocating promoting use-value over exchange-value. Even better is "collectivism," which is more general: not all of those who advocate use-value over exchange value are democrats, while (at least as an ideal) socialism involves democracy. -- Jim Devine / "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." (Go your own way and let people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante.
